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Old 11-16-2012, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Its origin is republican. Even a former republican governor implemented it in his State well before Obama was the president. After all it just forces you to pay dividends to shareholders. And because of this transction taking place in the private sector it is not a tax, in which a republican judge said it was.
How can you say this law is right out of the Massachusetts one? You do know that it was written, all 2500 pages of it, in the chambers of Dirty Harry Reid by some insurance wheels, some labor bosses and a couple of Senators. Of course, the Senators were all Democrats as Republicans weren't allowed into the offices during writing time. How many Republicans voted for the thing in either House, while we are trying to make them responsible for that abortion?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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How many times did the president ask for Republican input? A bunch that I remember. I remember talking about tort reform, and buying insurance across state lines, but nothing that would insure more people or require more people to insure themselves.

Republican followers seem perfectly happy pointing out budgets that were passed by congress while none were being asked for, what's the difference with this?
I am sure that you know that the Constitution says there will be an annual budget. Also, you surely know that a budget is a tax law since so many taxes find themselves in budgets. That document, that is still in force, also says that all revenue bills must originate in the House of Representatives

Now to how many times Republicans were asked what they wanted to do about the coming of single payer, you surely know that none of them wanted that to happen. Nope, they were never asked what they would do other than I Won talking about them not going along.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And so many of us told them, and they called us insane...(still do, see below)



I know. Blame Bush.



No. You are correct. They wouldn't believe because they have the same perspective, blinders and all.
It's OK. They don't have to believe. Keep it your secret. They'll find out what Obama and Obamacare is all about soon enough.
Damned fine reply to the leaners who try to act like they just don't understand what happened back then when the House had to vote on that bill to find out what was in it instead of debating it as they read through it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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Whether they were for a single payer system matters not. It`s coming and the sooner the better.
Tell me one place where the single payer system has created a great healthcare system.

All these "rankings" putting the USA in 37th place in healthcare are a little misleading. They base those on how many people HAVE healthcare. However, look up the SURVIVABILITY rates among countries for things like cancer and other diseases. Look at who's ALWAYS at the top.

Yes, we need to make it easier to get healthcare. HOWEVER, a single payer system will take our system and turn it into a subpar one where everyone gets it, but everyone gets crappy care and service.

Those who support a single payer system are horribly uneducated in things like economics, common sense and socialism. Because that's what this is, a socialist system.

It's never worked before. It won't now. Yet half of the country is too uneducated to see it. Blinded by a man.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Tell me one place where the single payer system has created a great healthcare system.

All these "rankings" putting the USA in 37th place in healthcare are a little misleading. They base those on how many people HAVE healthcare. However, look up the SURVIVABILITY rates among countries for things like cancer and other diseases. Look at who's ALWAYS at the top.

Yes, we need to make it easier to get healthcare. HOWEVER, a single payer system will take our system and turn it into a subpar one where everyone gets it, but everyone gets crappy care and service.

Those who support a single payer system are horribly uneducated in things like economics, common sense and socialism. Because that's what this is, a socialist system.

It's never worked before. It won't now. Yet half of the country is too uneducated to see it. Blinded by a man.
It works quite well in Canada.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The purpose was to provide subsidized health insurance to the 19% that don't have insurance.

The outcome of that legislation though is way different and farther reaching than affecting that mere 19%.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:24 AM
 
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That's EXACTLY what it was. The limitations that it's putting on businesses are causing them to cut their insurance offerings, which in turn will lead to...wait for it...a single payer system (ie. government). This is exactly what they wanted.

Those that didn't see it are too stupid or too blinded by their love of the man. Anyone against this HAD to be against it because they didn't like Obama, right? Not because they couldn't see what this truly was?





This in fact is what led to as many becoming disenchanted with Obama.


The manner in which it was put through did not leave a good taste in oiur mouths.

All of the things that were added to insurance over the years that really were not medical/health coverages could have prevented many of the rising costs as well.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:26 AM
 
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The purpose was to provide subsidized health insurance to the 19% that don't have insurance.

The outcome of that legislation though is way different and farther reaching than affecting that mere 19%.




That percentage also included those that chose not to have insurance.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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How can you say this law is right out of the Massachusetts one? You do know that it was written, all 2500 pages of it, in the chambers of Dirty Harry Reid by some insurance wheels, some labor bosses and a couple of Senators. Of course, the Senators were all Democrats as Republicans weren't allowed into the offices during writing time. How many Republicans voted for the thing in either House, while we are trying to make them responsible for that abortion?
All I can tell you is read the history of former republican leaders since the Nixon administration that laid the foundation for exactly what we have today. Its not me giving you the bad news that you don't want to hear, its history.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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All I can tell you is read the history of former republican leaders since the Nixon administration that laid the foundation for exactly what we have today. Its not me giving you the bad news that you don't want to hear, its history.
So this is Nixon's fault ?

At least you guys are giving Bush a rest
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