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Old 11-17-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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Who was the first that Obama met with over taxes. It was the labor unions before he met with big business, small business had no representation. Are the labor unions running the country?
It's a stupid question, we all know that for years the labor force has had way too small of a voice in our affairs compared to the influence of Wall Street, banks and the wealthy. Obama meets with all kinds of people, not just labor, so get over it.

Unions were a big part of turning out the vote, an integral part of Obama's ground game, which the GOP admitted was outstanding and a big shortcoming in GOP efforts.

I'd rather his first meeting be with labor, far more than if he met with the loons of the religious right, or the wealthy who funded Romney and the GOP (Koch Bros, Sheldon Adelson, et al) or the nutters of the NRA, or the never satisfied enviro-nazis.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How, exactly, has Obama been hostile to small business? He has lowered their taxes, made them exempt from Obamacare; given then credits to hire people, etc.? If Obama is so hostile to business why are corporate profits so high? the stock market doubled under Obama.
How are corporate profits and Wall Street indicative of small business success ?

Small business is Joe's Plumbing employing a crew of 6.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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Who was the first that Obama met with over taxes. It was the labor unions before he met with big business, small business had no representation. Are the labor unions running the country?
He is from chicago, where do you think his roots are from.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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It's a stupid question, we all know that for years the labor force has had way too small of a voice in our affairs compared to the influence of Wall Street, banks and the wealthy. Obama meets with all kinds of people, not just labor, so get over it.

Unions were a big part of turning out the vote, an integral part of Obama's ground game, which the GOP admitted was outstanding and a big shortcoming in GOP efforts.

I'd rather his first meeting be with labor, far more than if he met with the loons of the religious right, or the wealthy who funded Romney and the GOP (Koch Bros, Sheldon Adelson, et al) or the nutters of the NRA, or the never satisfied enviro-nazis.
lol

Spoken like a true leftwingnut who never has and never will be a business owner.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Who was the first that Obama met with over taxes. It was the labor unions before he met with big business, small business had no representation. Are the labor unions running the country?
Yeah, that's it - unions! And, as we know, the repub congress has nothing to do with "running the country".
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Looks like the repub base is, and has been, "running the country". No shame there, eh guys?

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Old 11-17-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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Who was the first that Obama met with over taxes. It was the labor unions before he met with big business, small business had no representation. Are the labor unions running the country?



No and unions don't run businesses either.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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How are corporate profits and Wall Street indicative of small business success ?

Small business is Joe's Plumbing employing a crew of 6.
All businesses have benefited under Obama. Corp profits are up and small business has gotten lots of help.

But when you hear the Republicans talk about small businesses, they mean those that file under a particular part of the tax code. Many of those are really businesses earning tens and hundreds of million with thousands of employees.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:58 AM
 
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From the book "The Law";

"But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law—which may be an isolated case— is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system."
"The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen."
"Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it."
- Frederic Bastiat (1850)
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:00 AM
 
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http://www.houseofpaine.org/neoliberalism.html

"The American progressive/socialist does not express his ideology openly. Instead, he talks in jargon and “code words” intended to entice and mislead. Words like “bourgeoisie” and “proletariat” sound foreign to the American ear, so the progressive speaks of “the rich” and the “working people”. Instead of talking about transfer payments and wealth redistribution, he talks of “social justice”. Frederic Bastiat, the nineteenth century French philosopher and legal scholar quoted earlier, describes socialism as “legal plunder” and gives a clear, unequivocal and easy to understand definition of it in his book, The Law, published in 1850, as socialism was gaining a foothold in France."
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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http://www.houseofpaine.org/neoliberalism.html

"The American progressive/socialist does not express his ideology openly. Instead, he talks in jargon and “code words” intended to entice and mislead. Words like “bourgeoisie” and “proletariat” sound foreign to the American ear, so the progressive speaks of “the rich” and the “working people”. Instead of talking about transfer payments and wealth redistribution, he talks of “social justice”. Frederic Bastiat, the nineteenth century French philosopher and legal scholar quoted earlier, describes socialism as “legal plunder” and gives a clear, unequivocal and easy to understand definition of it in his book, The Law, published in 1850, as socialism was gaining a foothold in France."
Ah, "code words." You mean like "broaden the base," to mean tax poor people who aren't currently taxed; "Class Warfare:" Disproportionately taxing the poor and middle class is ok. Taxing the rich is wealth redistribution; "Liberal media bias:" Any media outlets who do not echo the false narratives of conservatives; "Big Government:" Government under control of the Democrats; "Free Trade:" Shipping US jobs overseas to break unions and increase campaign contributions from multinational corporations; "FairTax:" A flat tax that makes the middle and poor classes pay most of the national
expenses even though the rich take most of our national income.
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