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Originally Posted by wade52
And Obama is re-elected by consent of the governed. By a margin of 3.5 million and climbing.
Oh, and the founding fathers were beyond liberal. They were radicals. The conservatives of that period in US history were known as torries and traitors.  |
Look, I don't want to argue specifics in regards to American secession. People will say that it was justified because we didn't have proper representation in parliament, or because Britain had a king. But, regardless of if we had gotten proper representation, I think we still would have wanted to secede, probably sooner than later.
The reason why was because the American colonies simply had different interests than the British. The economy of America was vastly different than the British economy. The immigrants that came to America, largely left Britain because they wanted more freedom that Britain wasn't offering. If we hadn't fought for independence in 1776, it still would have happened.
Even if Britain had been a democracy, would we still be British today? I just don't believe that we would.
Regardless of the excuses for why the revolutionary war was necessary. The truth is, the majority of American colonists did not support war with the British in 1776. The number of people who supported the war, was between 33% and 40%. And far fewer actively participated in the war. A large percentage of the American population supported the British at varying points in the war, or simply didn't take a side.
My point is, secession from Britain was a good thing, not because America became a great nation, even if it hadn't become a powerful nation, even if we were Switzerland, we still needed independence. Independence is a good thing. Would we really still want to be told what to do by a government thousands of miles away? Regardless of if we have representation or not.
Scotland is currently discussing secession from the UK. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I mean, they have representation in parliament, what could possibly be the problem?
What people fail to realize, is that a country, especially a large country, isn't a monolithic group of people. Countries can be quite diverse, our country is quite diverse. And as you travel from one region of this country to the next, the values of the people vary significantly. So much so that my state of Oklahoma for instance, voted for Mitt Romney by about a 67 to 33 margin. Utah voted for Romney about 73% to 27%. While Vermont voted for Obama at 67%. If we look at it like this. In Oklahoma and Utah, about the same percentage of people supported Obama this election, as the percentage of Americans who supported the British in the Revolutionary war.
Basically, liberal policies are ridiculously unpopular in Oklahoma, to the point that people here are becoming increasingly hostile. This country is called the "United States of America", which translated into a union of states. The states came together to create a union for the benefit of all of the states.
A union is a voluntary relationship. If a union is not voluntary, then it is not a union. It would more resemble an empire. Our union hasn't been voluntary since 1861. Back when Abraham Lincoln declared a war of aggression against the South to prevent them from escaping the American empire. I always find it interesting that even today, if someone argues for a state to secede, people who seem to hate those people, will say that if a state tried to secede, we should send in the military to squash the secession. Why?
The problem today is, the constitution has been so perverted by the courts and Congress. This government is simply nothing like the founders intended it to be, and no one can rationally argue otherwise. The only remotely coherent argument for justifying the rapid encroachment of the federal government, is that "the founders couldn't imagine a world like ours is now, 200 years ago". Which still falls short, because they understood the world would change, which is why they created the amendment process.
The reality is that this government is becoming nothing more than an unlimited democracy, supported by judges who legislate from the bench. The checks and balances that limited the government in the past, have been destroyed. At this point, there is nothing that truly prohibits encroachments by the federal government, except Supreme Court justices, who seem to give more the appearance of voting their beliefs, rather than actually interpreting the constitution. Most important decisions end up 5-4, and instead of acknowledging that the court is fundamentally broken. We seem to be more interested in making sure that we get to appoint the next Supreme Court justice, to make sure "our side wins".
Its simply a joke, a sad, cruel joke. It makes me depressed just thinking about it.
But the saddest thing, is that people are so caught up in the desire to just get their way. That they seem to ignore the truth when its staring them in the face. It seems like people these days will look the other way as someone is being murdered, as long as they are being paid off by the murderer.
The people today, have no principles, they have no character, they have nothing. They are more and more simply empty, just voting for their next payoff. While attacking anyone who raises their arm to declare that this isn't right, this isn't how it is supposed to be, as just a sore loser.
I'm not a sore loser, I didn't want Romney to win, in fact, I'm glad Obama won. Because had Obama lost, the people on the right would largely have been silenced, as they would then have to rally behind their guy, rather than calling for change.
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