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Old 11-19-2012, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Not as long as Hamas hides military assets in the middle of civilians.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:54 PM
 
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The media is up in arms about the number of civilians killed by Israel in their war against Hamas in Gaza.

On one hand they agree that Israel should be able to defend it self but should not should not be able to kill any civilians during the battle against Hamas. Is this even possible?

What if we were in a war against Germany or Japan's government but were not able to kill any civilians in WW2. Could we have won the war?

If Mexicans radicals supported by the Mexican Government were sending bombs into San Diego could we fight back without killing Mexicans civilians?

Please don't get into a discussion about who is right or wrong, just keep the discussion about waging a war where civilians are off limits.
Is it possible to tell the difference between a civilian and a soldier....err......terrorist?
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Florida -
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The liberal media typically jumps-on Israel any time they fire back at Hamas or other terrorist organizations ... and conveniently ignore the hundreds of suicide bombers who blow-up Israel's civilians in public restaurants, transportation centers etc. ... or the hundreds of missiles Hamas (and other terrorists) fire on Civilian locations in Israel ...

The fact that these terrorist organizations intentionally position operations and missile launchers next to schools and hospitals is also ignored... as every picture posted by the media is of a Gaza civilian casualty or injury when Israel fires back at these cowards. (How does one identify 'civilians' when there is no organized, uniformed army or militia?? --- Do you suppose there is a reason that all of these terrorist cowards wear masks and hide/blend-into civilian population centers??) The liberal media plays into the hands of terrorist organizations who have played this same game for years, ... -- This only gives them a sympathetic world stage and an image of legitimacy.

Suppose Mexican or Canadian 'terrorist organizations' (drug cartels or ??? -- it's just an illustration) located their missile batteries near hospitals, schools, etc. -- and their governments encouraged it. Then they relentlessly fired increasingly accurate, high-powerful missiles on civilians in U.S. cities. (Of course, they would express a 'humanitarian reason' ... like poor Mexicans who just wanted to earn a living in the U.S. -- or Canadians who only wanted to get out of the cold). How many of those who consistently condemn Israel's response, would continue to call for more warnings, delays and sanctions (which are persistently ignored) ... by the U.S. ... over many years??

The U.S. is fortunate that beyond 9/11, we have not been exposed to the same lingering war against terrorists that Israel has been forced to fight for many years. (Perhaps that is a testimony to behind-the-scenes actions by U.S. organizations who know that if they went public, the media would lambaste their efforts). Israel, however, is surrounded on all sides by countries who sponsor and support terrorism .... not the least of which is next-door Iran who regularly threatens to 'nuke Israel into the stone age' ... and is developing the capability to do so --- and is rapidly burying that capability below the range of modern 'bunker bombs.'

Ok, I'm ranting! But, as you can tell, I'm sick to death of our liberal media on more fronts than this one! -- They have become as much the enemy of freedom and democracy as any terrorist organization) ---
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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Hamas fires rockets into Israel... what did they think would happen?

What's their motto? "We love death more than the Jews love life" ?

It would be nice if Hamas started building some bomb shelters for their people and get them under cover before they launched those missiles.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:19 AM
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We should stop trying to make war copacetic. That's how they can become protracted. Wars should be brutal short and infrequent.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Hey, whatever happened to the Fatah party anyway?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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The media is up in arms about the number of civilians killed by Israel in their war against Hamas in Gaza.

On one hand they agree that Israel should be able to defend it self but should not should not be able to kill any civilians during the battle against Hamas. Is this even possible?

What if we were in a war against Germany or Japan's government but were not able to kill any civilians in WW2. Could we have won the war?

If Mexicans radicals supported by the Mexican Government were sending bombs into San Diego could we fight back without killing Mexicans civilians?

Please don't get into a discussion about who is right or wrong, just keep the discussion about waging a war where civilians are off limits.
Hamas shoots rockets from next to hospitals, children schools and playgrounds. They hide behind women and children ALL the time, yet get offended when one dies in a COUNTERattack.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Hey, whatever happened to the Fatah party anyway?
From about a month ago:

Fatah dominates West Bank election amid low turnout - latimes.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/wo...for-fatah.html

Though it's funny that they call 55% voter turnout to be low--while that's higher than the last US election.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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The murderous government of Israel and the IDF don't care who they kill! No matter what they may say on TV.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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You ask that question as though Israel cares how many Palestinian civilians it kills.
Let's explore that. Take a despot like Adolf Hitler, Mumar Gadaffi or Saddam Hussein. How would they deal with Gaza?

They'd surround it, line up artillery enmasse, ships enmasse and aircraft; then they'd bombard, carpet bomb and blast away until all signs of life ceased in the Gaza strip. They'd use chemical weapons after that. They would not stop for anything. They would probably kill every man, woman and child in Gaza. You'd be counting survivors of the current 1.7 million residents of Gaza in the hundreds.

That is what it looks like when you don't care how many civilians you kill.

You need look no further than Syria to see how many people get killed when a government and army doesn't care one bit how many people they kill. Low-ball estimates of the death toll there is 40,000. Syria maintains some degree of restraint because they don't want the Arab League, the UN or others to intervene. When we see no restraint whatsoever, you kill millions of people.

We can disagree quite broadly on the motivations of Israel and Palestinians, but clearly we are seeing nothing of the sort from Israel. We are seeing a great deal of restraint.
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