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lol it's so funny how some of grubby Libs sit here and try to argue people not wanting to be chained to the wall of a fascist government being "Unamerican"...
Where was their "patriotism" during the Bush era? We went to war over unjust causes.... and we are doing it now under this admin!!
Lolz. An american principle that has only happened twice in our history.... Yea right. You folks keep convincing yourself that it isn't unpatriotic to secede.
lol it's so funny how some of grubby Libs sit here and try to argue people not wanting to be chained to the wall of a fascist government being "Unamerican"...
Where was their "patriotism" during the Bush era? We went to war over unjust causes.... and we are doing it now under this admin!!
Double speak hypocrisy at it's finest here on CD.
They are nailed to the wall on this one.
Because if you think american government is fascist and you have it bad in this country then you are extremely naive and or spoiled. But keep thinking you are patriotic for abandoning this country whenever its convenient or things get too hard. Bunch of quitters.
Because if you think american government is fascist and you have it bad in this country then you are extremely naive and or spoiled. But keep thinking you are patriotic for abandoning this country whenever its convenient or things get too hard. Bunch of quitters.
Because if you think american government is fascist and you have it bad in this country then you are extremely naive and or spoiled. But keep thinking you are patriotic for abandoning this country whenever its convenient or things get too hard. Bunch of quitters.
I don't care about another nations standard of living. The bottom line is... it's fascist, relative or not. It's funny how you can argue in a vacuum all of a sudden with the "if it's so bad...leave!" logic.
It's so great here... and bad almost everywhere else....But why?
Except the US was never a nation; it was always a country.
The dynamics between a nation/nation-State and a country are very different. Where do you see fascism historically? In nation-States. Why? Because of the cultural homogeneity. Countries are totally lacking in cultural homogeneity, because countries are culturally heterogeneous.
That is one reason the Framers of the Constitution created a federal republic --- because they could see that even then, the US was culturally diffuse and diverse, and that it would become more culturally diffuse and diverse through continuous immigration --- even if that immigration was from nowhere else but Europe.
The only systems that could ever provide some form of lasting cohesiveness in a country -- and countries are culturally diverse and lacking in homogeneity -- is federalism combined with republicanism.
A political system such as the Unitary System can only function where there is cultural homogeneity, and the only place you find that is in a nation-State --- like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France, Germany, Spain etc.
Liberals have been pushing the US toward a Unitary State for about 100 years now.
Unitary State + Cultural Diversity & Heterogeneity = Total Fail.
For those who doubt, visit your local library and study History.
Politically...
Mircea
Franky, I don't think that has much to do with it, although Shirley it is a factor.
There are many complex psychologies at work here.
Again, I think this is quite wonderful, as a learning experience -- How does it feel?
The Islamic Terrorism is fantastic.....for one brief instant christians understood what it was like to live in the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages and to live in fear of terror for believing something slightly different than what the canons and tenets of the Imperial Roman Catholic Church permitted.
And people in US economic slave States who have had their world turned upside down -- so the US can break into their markets --- have lashed out at the US in various ways, including "terrorism."
So now Americans are having the fabric of their world ripped to pieces -- and they are lashing out with ideas of secession. Whether or not it comes to fruition will depend on what happens domestically and globally, but all indicators now suggest that people should be prepared for "Welcome to the Republic of (Insert Name of Former US State Here)".
Think about it.
Many people feel as though they are losing control in a rapidly changing world....they can't control their life, which has been up-ended by job losses and lower wages/lower household income; the powers of the government-formerly-known-as-the-federal-government are becoming increasingly intrusive, over-reaching and over-bearing, and then globally, things are out of control as far as the US is concerned.
And that doesn't even begin to address the myriad economic problems the people face at all levels from their home to their employer; city, State and national (formerly federal) government.
The national (formerly federal) government has both the power and ability to ameliorate many of these problems, but historically....it will not. The national (formerly federal) government will clamp down even tighter creating more problems....that is the way of all governments historically.
People should prepare themselves for more problems.
Portending....
Mircea
What land? You might want to review the Customary Laws of Land Ownership then in effect at the time of colonization.
I guess it never occurred to you to ponder the reason "Native Americans" (snicker) are still living on their tribal lands in the northeast United States, or why Europeans bought land from "Native Americans" (snicker). Well, that's because of the Customary Laws of Land Ownership.
Under Customary Laws of Land Ownership, any land the is developed is owned. To developed only requires permanent structures -- fences, hedgerows, boundary markers, roads, paths, wells, barns and other storage areas, homes, or meeting places.
If you have that, you don't need a deed, or a title or even any written document. The evidence of development is sufficient enough to demonstrate ownership.
90% of "Native Americans" (snicker) were either nomadic or semi-nomadic -- no permanent structures, hence to ownership of land. The "Native Americans" (snicker) were treated no differently than people in Europe and Asia who were nomadic or semi-nomadic.
Isn't the extermination of an ethnic group genocide? Who committed genocide and exterminated the Hopewell People?
Let me guess, you actually believe that 500 years before Columbus sailed around and saw everything but America, Whitey jumped in a boat, sailed across the Atlantic, landed on the Outer Banks, marched 2,000 miles inland, beat more than 100,000 Hopewell People to death - and I do mean beat -- as in clubbed --- then marched 2,000 miles back the coast, sailed back to Europe and kept silent about it?
Because, you know, that would be silly. If Whitey did slaughter more than 100,000 Hopewell People in a genocidal rage, then who did?
Well, gosh, who was here before Whitey showed up? Wanna hint?
You have a differently twisted view of "Native Americans" (snicker), one that I'm certain was foisted upon you by Political Correctness --- except it isn't very correct.
Anyway enough of the Indian thing already.....we return you now to our regularly scheduled programming.....
The Declaration of Independence clearly and succinctly outlines why they should to split from the whole freaking program.
And why don't you "believe?"
Is it because you've been brain-washed; you're too conservative; you haven't studied the issues; you're unaware of the issues; you're narrow-minded, parochial, unable to progress; take delight in knowing that others are as miserable as you, what exactly?
You raise some very good points.
No doubt, patriotism as is Self-Determination is in the Eye of the Beholder.
The US is quite hypocritical. It's okay for West Pakistan/East Pakistan to secede from India, but not okay for the Kurds to secede and have an homeland. It's okay for the Czechs and Slovaks to split, but not the Baluchs from the Pakistan and Iran. It was okay for West Pakistan and East Pakistan to split (with East Pakistan becoming Bangladesh), but it's not okay for the Dinka People to split from Sudan --- although they just recently did --- finally --- after enough people died -- no thanks to the US and the idiot Brits.....so I guess we're progressing.
Self-Determination and secession are very normal.....that's why your children exercise Self-Determination and secede to go their own way.
Almost impressed...
Mircea
What is so special about a country? What is so special about the US? Nothing really. Secession is very liberal and progressive, and it's ironic that Liberals oppose it. I can see why Conservatives might oppose it -- because silly traditions are sometimes the Conservative way, but opposing change is very conservative.
It is very Conservative and very Patriotic to want a better life for your family, your community and yourself. The idea that "my life sucks so everyone's life should suck and no one should be allowed to change their life and no one should be allowed to control their own destiny" is very Liberal.
I also advocate the break-up of the United Nations.
Do score "Patriot Points" for that?
Amused...
Mircea
Sadly, if you want those things -- and many, many Americans do, including myself -- your only two choices are a total restoration of the US Constitution or secession. Seeing how there is so much resistance to the former, I guess it'll have to be the latter.
Supporting...
Mircea
Even more so when the government over-steps its boundaries and becomes stupid and oppressive.
Concurring...
Mircea
As I have said many times, your salvation lies in the total restoration of the US Constitution. That is the only way the US will survive intact into the distant future.
The men who designed the Constitution were brilliant in every way, and they understood a great deal many things related to political systems, geography, geology, economics, psychology and sociology, as well as as politics and government.
And when you have restored the Constitution and you are operating under its principles, you will know, because you'll be paying a paltry 2%-3% of your total taxes to the US government....the rest will go to the States and cities....where they belong...as the Framers intended all along.
Patriotically...
Mircea
The Texas National Guard and Air National Guard would have no problem over-running Mexico, or any other country south of Mexico.
In fact, Texas and Texans would be more competent in guarding the border than any pseudo-federal-agency-with-an-hidden-agenda ever could.
Realistically...
Mircea
You're allowed to be sad. Nothing wrong in that.
One of the things you can do is learn from your mistakes. Look at BRIC. They dissected your foreign policy --- they won't make the same mistakes you made, and because they won't, they are effectively unstoppable.
Mircea.... all I can say is.... damn that was pretty deep. I'm hoping we can find a way to get back to restoration of the US Constitution. But, how do we do that?
Because if you think american government is fascist and you have it bad in this country then you are extremely naive and or spoiled. But keep thinking you are patriotic for abandoning this country whenever its convenient or things get too hard. Bunch of quitters.
We slaves thank you for helping us to understand the best place for us is really right here on the plantation
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