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Old 11-20-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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Everyone's got some blame. However, unions are the reason it's becoming less and less feasible to employ large work forces. They have taken what they were originally created for and bastardized it. They believe that simply because there are MORE of them that they should be in charge of the company and the way it's run. Let's be honest for a second, most union workers are lower educated folks that have hourly jobs for a reason. Nothing against them because the working class is what makes America great. But they're sold this bill of goods like they know what's best for the company just because there are more of them.

Kind of like the democrat party.
Any link to prove this on just your opinion?

Let's be honest for a second, most union workers are lower educated folks that have hourly jobs for a reason.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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The Wall Street investors knew very well what the situation was. They planned this to loot the assets.
What assets? The ones they created and funded all these years? The ones that only exist because of them in the first place? THOSE the assets you're talking about?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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What assets? The ones they created and funded all these years? The ones that only exist because of them in the first place? THOSE the assets you're talking about?
Huh? Unless the Wall Street Investors were manning the ovens and driving the delivery trucks, I'd say you purposely left something out of the equation.

Did Hostess start as a public company (Hint: No)? I don't think for a minute investors are solely responsible for the growth. They might be responsible for the demise, however:

https://www.finalternatives.com/node/22134
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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Everyone's got some blame.[b] However, unions are the reason it's becoming less and less feasible to employ large work forces[b]. They have taken what they were originally created for and bastardized it. They believe that simply because there are MORE of them that they should be in charge of the company and the way it's run. Let's be honest for a second, most union workers are lower educated folks that have hourly jobs for a reason. Nothing against them because the working class is what makes America great. But they're sold this bill of goods like they know what's best for the company just because there are more of them.

Kind of like the democrat party.
That's stupid.

So should Ford cut the workforce down to 3 workers? That makes no sense. If you grow your business into a national brand, a large workforce KINDA GOES WITH HAVING A BIG BUSINESS!

Unreal. Not to mention that most large companies in this country aren't even unionized.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Everyone's got some blame. However, unions are the reason it's becoming less and less feasible to employ large work forces. They have taken what they were originally created for and bastardized it. They believe that simply because there are MORE of them that they should be in charge of the company and the way it's run. Let's be honest for a second, most union workers are lower educated folks that have hourly jobs for a reason. Nothing against them because the working class is what makes America great. But they're sold this bill of goods like they know what's best for the company just because there are more of them.

Kind of like the democrat party.
Open your eyes! Have unions led to this over the past years?

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Old 11-20-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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I know the right wing isn't big on facts. What do you make of the sets of concessions given by unions to keep the company afloat? Does that still leave management blameless in your opinion?
Without reading his response, this hack stated "unions demanding more than they deserved". The bold text is where he stands. As far as he is concerned they deserve nothing. Knuckle heads like this feel all warm and fuzzy until their butts are on the line.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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Everyone's got some blame. However, unions are the reason it's becoming less and less feasible to employ large work forces. They have taken what they were originally created for and bastardized it. They believe that simply because there are MORE of them that they should be in charge of the company and the way it's run. Let's be honest for a second, most union workers are lower educated folks that have hourly jobs for a reason. Nothing against them because the working class is what makes America great. But they're sold this bill of goods like they know what's best for the company just because there are more of them.

Kind of like the democrat party.
You're kidding?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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Open your eyes! Have unions led to this over the past years?
Now if you don't cut corporate taxes and tax rates for people making over 250K, the CEO's will stop hiring, and then pay themselves 200% more for being so brilliant.

Wonderful economic system we have working in this country.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:33 AM
 
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That's stupid.

So should Ford cut the workforce down to 3 workers? That makes no sense. If you grow your business into a national brand, a large workforce KINDA GOES WITH HAVING A BIG BUSINESS!

Unreal. Not to mention that most large companies in this country aren't even unionized.
And the non-unionized workers at other bakeries are still working, aren't they?

Yes, we need those workers. However, they're replaceable. VERY. There are TONS of out of work people that would have killed for those jobs, which they were being paid VERY fairly on.

And were those workers responsible for growing the brand? Were they responsible for creating more market share and making more money?

Or were they simply involved in supplying labor to fill orders that were created by other folks?

Unions have caused their members more harm than good over the last 30 years. They had a place at one point, and if they could get back to making sure they protect workers' rights, they can still be useful. But right now they're nothing more than organized crime, with those at the top getting rich of the backs of the folks they're supposed to look out for, all while leaving them worse off than when they started.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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What assets? The ones they created and funded all these years? The ones that only exist because of them in the first place? THOSE the assets you're talking about?
The assets the millions of dollars of bonuses came from. Need more help?
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