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Originally Posted by djacques
Secretary Kissinger is only ever concerned with what's good for his business interests, not what's good for the United States.
There is nothing, zero, keeping the U.S. from having good relations with Iran aside from our Israel obsession. Sadly, that will probably only wane when Florida is no longer a swing state.
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No doubt, but I'm not exactly sure what Florida has to do with anything.
Concurring in part....
Mircea
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Originally Posted by stargazzer
Oh I'm glad your here....so you think his idea for what it is , is a mistake..? Plus I was thinking about your analysis the other day with all the linking components and there seems to be some area's which are open to question which may argue or contrast the general direction .
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Originally Posted by stargazzer
ok...thats fine, I'm only trying to understand all this and not into challenging idea's. So this above offered position is reasonably convinced that Iran is in an agreeable disposition for good relations with the US. Well a rep came for the UN meeting, so that would favor...and he was asked on a show if Obama invited him for a talk, he basically said no...so how does this cold shoulder allow people to follow your suggestion.? Plus I guess you feel a weapon of mass destruction is ok. Or perhaps its possible that they really are only interested in the material as a resource...But what we learn is they have plenty of oil for resource together with properties of spoken aggression, including the supply of weapons to the Gaza spot. Their focus on military rather then talks seems hard to get around, including a refusal for inspection.
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Look, let's be up front, Kissinger is a Jew, so he's slightly biased when it comes to all-things-Israel.
Even if that wasn't true, it doesn't matter since Kissinger was a Social Democrat (before they became Neo-Conservatives).
He is one of the architects of the current US global Geo-Political Strategy....
...a strategy that will fail and leave the US in ruins.
The US withdraws from Southeast Asia -- the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Korea
et al (okay there's still troops in Korea but how many are actually combat troops?), sends Nixon to China, takes the US off of the Gold standard, etc etc etc and shifts your Geo-Political strategy.
By the way.....what was US policy toward Israel
before the 1973 Yom Kippur War?
Hahahah.....yeah, that's what I thought.
Look at the Suez....what did the US do?
Hahahah...yeah, sure, we know.
Why did US foreign policy change to become pro-Israel and become heavily involved in the Middle East?
Because US Geo-Political Strategy changed. That's why. You need control of the Middle East, for a number of reasons, including your Petro-Dollar (which didn't exist prior to 1974).
Iran has neither a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" nor is in the pursuit of one. Iran is simply doing what the Shah had done, and the Shah was building a nuclear energy infrastructure. The Ayatollahs didn't design the dual-reactors at Bushwehr, rather the Shah did.
Nuclear energy is the key to Iran's prosperous future, and there can be no prosperous future for Iran without nuclear energy. The country has extremely limited water resources and no means of electrical power generation, other than oil and natural gas. The hydro-electric capacity provided by the Zagros Mountains has been tapped out to the max.
The whole key to Iran's future rests with the dual-reactors at Bushwehr, one powering a series of desalinization plants --- which are energy intensive -- and one providing power to the Iranian Plateau. The water from the desalination plants transported via irrigation canals to the Iranian Plateau along with the electrical power will turn it into a virtual Garden of Eden, that will allow Iran to be a net-exporter of food, instead of a net-importer of food.
More food on the world market means more supply and that will help lower, or at least contain food prices for the whole world, and yes that includes Americans.
What did the IAEA say in its report? Iran is enriching uranium to 20%. There's your proof irrefutable that Iran is not using the nuclear reactors to produce plutonium for nuclear weapons.
But Iran is reactionary Islam.....
...and that is 100% your fault...you bear total and complete responsibility for that, because you created it with your horrid foreign policy, a policy of kidnapping Iranians in the middle of the night, wrongfully imprisoning them, torturing them, and murdering them....
....and then so many of you have the unmitigated gall to complain that they don't get on their knees and love you.
But all of this is pointless.
Iran is a key part of your Geo-Political Strategy. You must control Iran to in order to bring the strategy to a successful completion. So when it is time for the US to take whatever action it will take, it will do so regardless of who is in the White House. You can put Lady Gaga in there if it will make you feel any better, but make no mistake about it: she will give the "green-light" if comes down to her watch.
Why? Because US presidents do not control US Geo-Political Strategy...that is solely the realm of the Bureaucrats. Geo-Political Strategy is like a chess match....once you commit to a strategy, that's it...you're stuck with it until the bitter end (whatever that might be) ....you cannot alter your strategy mid-match.
You cannot change your Geo-Political Strategy every 4 years or every 8 years on the whim of a president....if you did that...you'd be a 3rd World State in no time flat.
And contrary to what you might believe, any State is allowed to have its own foreign policy and its own geo-strategy, and if Iran's conflicts with yours, too bad for you....you should have thought about that while you were denying Iranians the same rights you had, stealing all of their oil and other natural resources, and indiscriminately murdering Iranians.
When the end is known.....I won't be around, but you might be....history will vilify people like Kissinger.
Kissinger and all of the other Social Democrat/Neo-Cons were wrong then, and they're still wrong now, but you're committed to the bitter end, which is why you're still in Afghanistan, and why you'll be fumbling about for the next several decades in MENA/Central Asia.
Why not change strategy?
You can't. Too late now. BRIC caught you with your pants down.
There's no other strategy for you to adopt, realistically speaking, and you've already wasted so many $TRILLIONS and lots of lives. You don't have the money to change strategies now...and you never will.
I'm not even sure there is an alternate geo-strategy.
Well, okay, there are, but none that are palatable to Americans.....not without massive counter-socialization.
Government would have to enlist the aid of network and cable television to help counter-socialize Americans, by showing sit-coms that have a family of 3 sharing a 3-bedroom apartment with a family of 4, and only having one or two cars for both families to use, and the group iPod instead of each person having their own iPod, and the kids wearing "hand-me-downs" and things like that.
TV shows with house-husbands and soccer-dads instead of house-wives and soccer moms....since there won't be enough jobs for everyone.
Anyway, all of this nonsense with Iran has to do with the fact that Iran is exercising Self-Determination and Freedom of Choice, by trading internationally on the Kish Island Exchange in basket currencies, instead of exclusively in US Dollars.
And why is that an issue?
What did I tell you? Did I not say other countries would want to do the same? And what is Iraq threatening to do now? Sell oil and natural gas exclusively in Euros or in basket currencies, right?
And why did you invade Iraq in the first place? Well, you always intended to invade Iraq, but you were forced to jump the gun, because Iraq was selling oil in Euros.
So all those troops who died in Iraq, will have died a vain meaningless empty death trying to stop the collapse of the US Empire -- which will collapse no matter what anyway.
Go read the recently declassified documents about Kissinger and China and the Pakistani-Indian War.
You all are damn lucky the Russians aren't the monsters they are made out to be, otherwise Task Force 74 (
USS Enterprise,
USS Tripoli et al) would be sitting at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and a good part of the world would still be glowing.
Geo-Strategically....
Mircea
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