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Old 11-25-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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i'd like to ask the leftwing Marxist out there...what is fair...

Examiner Editorial: If top 5% paid 40% of taxes, what is their 'fair' share? | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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i'd like to ask ...what is fair...
That might be too much to expect...
but how about if we start with the pre-Bush levels?
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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income taxes, taken in isolation, do not tell the whole story, because lower-income Americans do pay payroll taxes. But even taking into account all forms of taxation, the top 1 percent still paid 22 percent of federal taxes while earning just 13.4 percent of household income.

The top 5 percent paid 40 percent of all federal taxes, despite earning only 26 percent of all income. No matter how you slice the numbers, it's hard to understand why anyone would think the wealthy aren't already shouldering a burden.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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Obama will keep repeating this "fair share" language as part of his call to raise taxes on those earning more than $250,000 per year. He also wants to close additional loopholes and limit deductions to increase their tax burden further.

But bear this in mind: On top of whatever new taxes go into effect for individuals earning more than $200,000 per year, there will be additional new taxes due to Obama's national health care law.

0.9 percent Medicare tax hike
As well as a 3.8 percent surtax on investment income.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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The US has had a progressive income tax for many decades.

The reason the top 5% pay 40% of income taxes is because the top 5% earn 20% of all the income. With a progressive income tax, that means they'll pay more of the income tax.

If thr top 5% earned 10% of all income they'd pay less of the income tax. If lower income Americans earned more they'd pay more of the income tax. This is not difficult.

In terms of what is fair share. I think that depends on the terms of the debate. For me, if incomes for all Americans would have kept growing at roughly the same pace, then the argument that burdening those who make more is unfair.

Those at the top have taken basically all the income gains for over 30years, while the rest have only gained a little. In terms of income taxes, you go where the income is located.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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Obama will keep repeating this "fair share" language as part of his call to raise taxes on those earning more than $250,000 per year. He also wants to close additional loopholes and limit deductions to increase their tax burden further.

But bear this in mind: On top of whatever new taxes go into effect for individuals earning more than $200,000 per year, there will be additional new taxes due to Obama's national health care law.

0.9 percent Medicare tax hike
As well as a 3.8 percent surtax on investment income.
The term "fair" is employed by Obama as part of his class warfare strategy. Make those on the lower rungs feel deprived, and they'll scream for more "fairness". They're not looking for what's fair to the high wage earners (meaning "financially successful"), they want what they perceive as fair to themselves, and greed comes into play.

Obama seems to be very good at capitalizing on peoples' emotions and using them to garner support.

He was divisive first term, he's still looking very divisive now. A leopard and his spots are not easily parted.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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The US has had a progressive income tax for many decades.

The reason the top 5% pay 40% of income taxes is because the top 5% earn 20% of all the income. With a progressive income tax, that means they'll pay more of the income tax.

If thr top 5% earned 10% of all income they'd pay less of the income tax. If lower income Americans earned more they'd pay more of the income tax. This is not difficult.

In terms of what is fair share. I think that depends on the terms of the debate. For me, if incomes for all Americans would have kept growing at roughly the same pace, then the argument that burdening those who make more is unfair.

Those at the top have taken basically all the income gains for over 30years, while the rest have only gained a little. In terms of income taxes, you go where the income is located.
Repped.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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^^^ thanks for substantiating my point about the greed of the lower classes.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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I think the question should read "If the bottom 49% pay zero% of taxes what is their fair share?"
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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The term "fair" is employed by Obama as part of his class warfare strategy. Make those on the lower rungs feel deprived, and they'll scream for more "fairness". They're not looking for what's fair to the high wage earners (meaning "financially successful"), they want what they perceive as fair to themselves, and greed comes into play.

Obama seems to be very good at capitalizing on peoples' emotions and using them to garner support.

He was divisive first term, he's still looking very divisive now. A leopard and his spots are not easily parted.
Actually it was 'empoyed' even more heavily by Ronald Reagan.
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