PRAVDA: Obama "Re-Elected By Illiterate Society" (radical, Miami, school)
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The fact that you are spreading Russian propaganda suggests that you have abandoned rational thought, and embraced emotion--your emotion, the hatred of our current President.
Liberalism is not an abandonment of rational thought. Why do you think we have governments? When cavemen first instituted leaders of their clans--what was the purpose? To protect the clan and to ensure its survival? Making sure everyone in the clan had food and shelter? Dealing with members of the clan who broke the rules?
Liberalism and conservatism both recognize the obligations that a government has to its people. They diverge only on how those obligations should be met. When people on either side of the discussion resort to demeaning the other side (as irrational, stupid, poorly educated, blind, etc), they are not engaging in the discussion, they are attempting to undermine the other side's credibility. And that's a sign that they don't have a good argument to rebut the other side's assertions.
Liberals aren't irrational. Liberals have a different perspective. Conservatives aren't stupid. Conservatives have a different perspective. The people who are irrational or stupid are the people who refuse to engage in real debate, argument versus argument, and instead resort to insults. That doesn't make sense. Because the discussion leads to real-life policies, and trying to marginalize different viewpoints is not a successful strategy for devising policies that reflect the wants and needs of the people.
Well said, however sane debate from two opposing political ideologies is not the general norm on this site,where hard entrenched attitudes are the order of the day.
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I agree with Pravda's assessment, and concur that liberals are mentally defective. It is the only explanation as to how Obama got reelected.
And the communist publication Pravda is now to be championed as a viable news source for the righties? these people just get weirder and more desperate by the day..
You're the one who needs therapy if you don't see that Russia has been correct about the US since Khrushchev.
He did say that they (Communism) would bury us. Many people thought when the USSR collapsed, that Communism was gone too.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
Liberalism and conservatism both recognize the obligations that a government has to its people. They diverge only on how those obligations should be met. When people on either side of the discussion resort to demeaning the other side (as irrational, stupid, poorly educated, blind, etc), they are not engaging in the discussion, they are attempting to undermine the other side's credibility. And that's a sign that they don't have a good argument to rebut the other side's assertions.
Liberals aren't irrational. Liberals have a different perspective. Conservatives aren't stupid. Conservatives have a different perspective. The people who are irrational or stupid are the people who refuse to engage in real debate, argument versus argument, and instead resort to insults. That doesn't make sense. Because the discussion leads to real-life policies, and trying to marginalize different viewpoints is not a successful strategy for devising policies that reflect the wants and needs of the people.
And a lot of what we've had here from the left are one-line insults, for they can't (or won't) discuss the merits of Pravda's comparison, or lack of same, but have to attempt to defend without substantiation.
Perhaps this thread could be more intelligently discussed in Great Debates. Too bad it wasn't put there instead, because it's a serious topic that deserves the light of day and honest discussion.
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Originally Posted by Glitch
If any newspaper could spot a communist, it would be Pravda.
As the saying goes, "it takes one to know one". Those who know Communism and all its faces from the inside recognize it wherever they see it, whatever face it presents to the world.
Maybe an honest look at Pravda's assessment will at least silence the rabid defenders who hoot and holler every time someone points out that his agenda is a radical socialistic agenda. Saul Alinsky type.
As for the people who put Obama into office, demographic data shows that 93% of African-Americans voted for Obama, while 5% voted for Romney. Neither here nor there, but interesting.
Most people don't give it much credence - until, probably more from sheer luck than legitimate journalism, it uncovers a story like the John Edwards one and all of a sudden it becomes the epitome of investigative journalism, praised and admired by all the RWNJ's.
As long as these rags say something they want to hear, they don't care what other silly crap they publish.
I coud careless what they say about us. Most peole looat the Greeks and see us incoming years.Others look at the germans and see what we need to follow in reforms. The results are obvious :IMO.
He did say that they (Communism) would bury us. Many people thought when the USSR collapsed, that Communism was gone too.
And a lot of what we've had here from the left are one-line insults, for they can't (or won't) discuss the merits of Pravda's comparison, or lack of same, but have to attempt to defend without substantiation.
Perhaps this thread could be more intelligently discussed in Great Debates. Too bad it wasn't put there instead, because it's a serious topic that deserves the light of day and honest discussion.
As the saying goes, "it takes one to know one". Those who know Communism and all its faces from the inside recognize it wherever they see it, whatever face it presents to the world.
Maybe an honest look at Pravda's assessment will at least silence the rabid defenders who hoot and holler every time someone points out that his agenda is a radical socialistic agenda. Saul Alinsky type.
As for the people who put Obama into office, demographic data shows that 93% of African-Americans voted for Obama, while 5% voted for Romney. Neither here nor there, but interesting.
How would an honest look at Pravda's "assessment" have anything to do with a "radical socialistic agenda"? The Pravda "assessment" isn't that Obama was elected by radical socialists, the Pravda "assessment" is that Obama was elected by illiterates. Radical socialists aren't illiterate. And I put "assessment" into quotes because there is no assessment in their remarks, there is an agenda-driven critique based on Pravda's job--to further Putin and his government and policies, at the expense of anyone challenging Putin. It's no secret that there is no love lost between Obama and Putin. Would you like to honestly look at that?
Pravda is propaganda. It has always been a propaganda machine for the government. The fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists, and that the government is limited to Russia does not make Pravda less a propaganda machine. Would you like to honestly look at that?
And the fact the Pravda is propaganda for a government headed by a leader who is politically and personally benefited by the perception of hostility between himself and our President, would lead most to conclude that the dissemination of that propaganda is anti-American. Would you like to honestly discuss that?
Pravda is propaganda. It has always been a propaganda machine for the government. The fact that the Soviet Union no longer exists, and that the government is limited to Russia does not make Pravda less a propaganda machine.
Exactly like CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and MSNBC, except that they are the propaganda machine for the Democratic Party. Which is to say that Pravda has as much credibility as the mainstream media in the US. When it comes to identifying a communist, like Obama, I will give Pravda more credibility that the US mainstream media because they actually know what one looks like while the US mainstream media tries to pretend they do not exist.
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He did say that they (Communism) would bury us. Many people thought when the USSR collapsed, that Communism was gone too. 
