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Old 11-26-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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Students are not considered responsible adults so do not have any "freedoms" of privacy and movement enjoyed by adult citizens. The schools are held responsible for the student's health and location during the school hours. The school districts are just using available technology to do their job. I am surprised that the chips are not surgically implanted to prevent the students from switching ID cards to reduce the effectiveness of the surveillance.
The cost for RFID chips is $1.6 million, how has public education survived without such technology in the past?

Some of you have a bad case of stockholm syndrome.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Students are not considered responsible adults so do not have any "freedoms" of privacy and movement enjoyed by adult citizens. The schools are held responsible for the student's health and location during the school hours. The school districts are just using available technology to do their job. I am surprised that the chips are not surgically implanted to prevent the students from switching ID cards to reduce the effectiveness of the surveillance.

If this doesn't scare you people, if this doesn't give you pause or a point of objection, then you deserve to be slaves, deserve tyranny and the harm that will surely come from those who oppress you through this thinking.

Don't cry about your loss of freedoms when this happens. What GregW is suggesting will eventually be done to adults under the same loose claims of protecting the collective.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Besides the the negative psychological impact of being tracked and monitored, what of the economic ramifications?
The school district should be spending the money on education and not acting as an arm of the prison system.
You're an adult. It's harder to condition an adult to something like this because you have a comparison, a previous "norm" which was less intrusive.

But take a kid, say 5 years old. Once conditioned, they won't question it. It's becomes their "norm".
If you want to change society, you do it in the schools with the kids and the earlier you start it the easier it is to get blanket acceptance.

Ask any young adult..21 or 22 and younger about airports and security.
Scanners, xrays, high security is their norm. They were 10 or younger when 9/11 happened.
Airports today is all they know. Why would they object to the intrusive checking when they know no different ? To them, that is the norm.

Changes to society start in the schools.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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"The district's stated reason is to help obtain funding from the state by documenting the number of students who attend the school.

The district plans to spend $525,065 to implement the pilot program and $136,005 per year to run it, but it will more than pay for itself. If successful, Northside would get $1.7 million next year from both higher attendance and Medicaid reimbursements for busing special education students."


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Old 11-26-2012, 07:48 AM
 
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You're an adult. It's harder to condition an adult to something like this because you have a comparison, a previous "norm" which was less intrusive.

But take a kid, say 5 years old. Once conditioned, they won't question it. It's becomes their "norm".
If you want to change society, you do it in the schools with the kids and the earlier you start it the easier it is to get blanket acceptance.

Ask any young adult..21 or 22 and younger about airports and security.
Scanners, xrays, high security is their norm. They were 10 or younger when 9/11 happened.
Airports today is all they know. Why would they object to the intrusive checking when they know no different ? To them, that is the norm.

Changes to society start in the schools.
I agree, but I think it takes two keys to establish.

1. Like you said, you must start early in the educational system, condition them with such as normal and acceptable.

2. You must also adjust educational focus, eliminating logical and evidential process. Foster opinion as valid, consensus as verification, and collective thought as truth.

If you simply conditioned a given aspect as accepted, without insuring number two, some would begin to question, object to the logic of a given issue. With both applied, they are conditioned to accept, and ignorant to reason of objection. You create a society of easily manipulated "groups" as since they do not respect individual thought, no idea can find purchase. The collective is then formed by those who speak "for" the collective and so the collective accepts without question.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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"The district's stated reason is to help obtain funding from the state by documenting the number of students who attend the school.

The district plans to spend $525,065 to implement the pilot program and $136,005 per year to run it, but it will more than pay for itself. If successful, Northside would get $1.7 million next year from both higher attendance and Medicaid reimbursements for busing special education students."


Blog: Texas school district to require students to wear RFID chip whil on campus
In the end..it's all about the money.
Title 1 schools rely heavily on Fed dollars and the Fed demands accountability.
I've been in Title 1 schools and they jump through hoops about attendance and probably go into some gray areas that I would consider "absent" vs "was in school so counted".

The almighty dollar drives some of this crap.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Students are not considered responsible adults so do not have any "freedoms" of privacy and movement enjoyed by adult citizens. The schools are held responsible for the student's health and location during the school hours. The school districts are just using available technology to do their job. I am surprised that the chips are not surgically implanted to prevent the students from switching ID cards to reduce the effectiveness of the surveillance.

Uhh uh Greg! No f***n' way would I EVER allow my kid to have a chip surgically implanted!!!
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I agree, but I think it takes two keys to establish.

1. Like you said, you must start early in the educational system, condition them with such as normal and acceptable.

2. You must also adjust educational focus, eliminating logical and evidential process. Foster opinion as valid, consensus as verification, and collective thought as truth.

If you simply conditioned a given aspect as accepted, without insuring number two, some would begin to question, object to the logic of a given issue. With both applied, they are conditioned to accept, and ignorant to reason of objection. You create a society of easily manipulated "groups" as since they do not respect individual thought, no idea can find purchase. The collective is then formed by those who speak "for" the collective and so the collective accepts without question.
The "collective" is there.

Everyone is a winner
No Child Left Behind
Inclusion
removal of tracking
elimination of phrases, traditions, etc. because not everyone believes

Schools have turned into factories producing drones.
The real world hasn't undergone the transformation yet.
The OWS crowd are graduates of this education and expected the same in the real world and are shocked to find out different. Hence the protests.

I'm back in the schools and my comparison is to when I was in school (30 years ago).
College is still the same (because Fed Gov hasn't taken it over yet).
But K-12 was a big shocker for me. Core curriculum (Math-English-Science-Reading) barely take 1/2 of the school day. Measurement testing every 6 weeks or so, scantron proficiency, increased schoolwide events on bullying, safe sex, drugs, etc.

We need some new institutions where kids can go to actually learn academics from 9-3 because the schools today focus more on social issues and academics have taken a back seat.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Uhh uh Greg! No f***n' way would I EVER allow my kid to have a chip surgically implanted!!!
Well, let's see the myriad of excuses will all involve safety and fear of something bad happening if they are not chipped.

Fear is what get changes through.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Another reason Private Christian based schools, are booming with business.
Home schooling is on the rise in a big way also.

Government becoming the parent.
Perfect example of the free market working. I wholey support parents homeschooling or using private schools if they deem fit. I even think we should give them a voucher to do so with the tax dollars their children would normally recieve at public schools.
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