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Old 11-27-2012, 09:14 PM
 
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Food stamps is but one of 83 means tested social welfare programs.
And they cost over $1 trillion per year.

Each month brings new highs to food stamp recipients and now SSDI.

Looks like the family values crowd got it all, crumbs for the childless poor.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:19 PM
 
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A false dichotomy has been erected by people declaring themselves "the producer class" vs. "the dependent class."


But, where a single mother of two may work 40 hours+ as a waitress at a local diner, or a father works as a landscaper all day, they still may not be able to provide for their family. (Could be due to declining wages and benefits in these fields, among many other factors). Even IF their respective families have to receive Medicaid or school lunches for the kids.... are the waitress and landscaper REALLY "non producers?"

Arguably, the waitress and landscaper produce and work harder than a financier or investor.



The Capitalist economy requires an underclass of unskilled, low wage workers. Why demonize those who fulfill important sectors and functions in our economy. Just because something does not pay well, doesn't mean it's non-essential. And, just because something pays well doesn't mean its a valuable or even necessary part of the economy.



You're confusing the issue.
It's about people that take out of the system (government revenue) without putting in.

Everyone in our country ought to have a stake and a responsibility in contributing.

Some pay Federal Income Tax and some don't but yet equality is brought up?

I'd be happy to keep all of my money earned and maybe even get back more than what was taken out of my check back and be equal that way but that's not the way it is.

Why am I treated unequally?



"Waah, life ain't fair".





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Old 11-27-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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Here is someone who says she has no intention on getting a better education and is applying for welfare. She is asking for help.

applied for food stamps, now have questions

Another one bites the dust.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:33 PM
 
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You confusing the issue.
It's about people that take out of the system (government revenue) without putting in.

Everyone in our country ought to have a stake and a responsibility in contributing.

Some pay Federal Income Tax and some don't but yet equality is brought up?

I'd be happy to keep all of my money earned and maybe even get back more than what was taken out of my check back and be equal that way but that's not the way it is.

Why am I treated unequally?

These people usually get soaked with state and local taxes to subsidize the middle class; homeowners typically enjoy huge subsidizes. In Michigan, homeowners get an average $1,500 yearly property tax subsidy, paid for by waitresses and burger flippers.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:35 PM
 
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Here is someone who says she has no intention on getting a better education and is applying for welfare. She is asking for help.

applied for food stamps, now have questions

Another one bites the dust.

Getting a better education is expensive, I certainly can't afford it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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These people usually get soaked with state and local taxes to subsidize the middle class; homeowners typically enjoy huge subsidizes. In Michigan, homeowners get an average $1,500 yearly property tax subsidy, paid for by waitresses and burger flippers.



Soaked?
We're all paying those taxes.
Did ytou find another area that they should not contribute in either?


In addition I'm addressing Federal Income Tax.

State Taxes is not the country as a whole which is the issue.
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Getting a better education is expensive, I certainly can't afford it.
excuses, excuses. You could get government assistance, even paid for to go to a local community college to be a nurse assistant. Doesn't take that long either. freemkt, you would rather other people pay for your existence. No matter what excuse you give there is not one that gives you respect.

They are just excuses for you to feel better about someone else paying for your existance.

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Old 11-28-2012, 12:12 AM
 
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You're confusing the issue.
It's about people that take out of the system (government revenue) without putting in.

Everyone in our country ought to have a stake and a responsibility in contributing.

Some pay Federal Income Tax and some don't but yet equality is brought up?

I'd be happy to keep all of my money earned and maybe even get back more than what was taken out of my check back and be equal that way but that's not the way it is.

Why am I treated unequally?



"Waah, life ain't fair".
Your point is wrong because a "fair contribution" is completely arbitrary. What if poor people each paid a penny in federal income taxes? Or a dollar? Would that be enough? Is it fair that a billionaire pays a thousand times higher taxes than you? No, it's not. Taxation based on percentage of income has never been fair and never will be. A flat tax is still based on the principle that the rich subsidize the poor.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:14 AM
 
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excuses, excuses. You could get government assistance, even paid for to go to a local community college to be a nurse assistant. Doesn't take that long either. freemkt, you would rather other people pay for your existence. No matter what excuse you give there is not one that gives you respect.

They are just excuses for you to feel better about someone else paying for your existance.
The problem is that there are not enough jobs to support every single person getting a college degree, so that in your mind, there will always be a very large percentage of the population that is a failure, even though they could not possibly all "succeed".
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:11 AM
 
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Single mothers are certainly not rare. You can end up a single mother through the death of the spouse, or divorce, and neither are planned, they just happen, and for someone to come in years later and tear them down for having kids "they cannot afford" is as low as it gets. Most had their kids during sunny days, and they still had them when the rains came. What are you supposed to do, dump them in the forest?
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A lot of women are just abandoned by the father of their child or children.

Only half of all single parents even have a formal or informal child support payment system in place from the non-custodial parent.

And about 60 % of single parents do not receive full child support payments from the non-custodial parent.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf
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