Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
What're you talking about?
I pay taxes just like the next guy (perhaps more).
I am fully ensured.
I just happen to have a social conscience. No biggie.
So, stop preaching and start doing.
The best thing you can do is adopt someone for $200 a month....the government doesn't fill that gap.
Not really. There are quite a few more responsibilities than *just* payroll.
Which is a big one itself.
Starts with: Taxes, Safety, Health, Wage Rates, and (sometimes) Retirements, Pensions, Vacations, Holidays, on and on.
If you wish to dump them on "Friday" there is likely: Unemployment, Cobra, follow-on Health and Liabilities.
Being a competent and proper employer is a Real Grown Up Job.
Part of why I avoid and encourage those I work for to avoid "Employee" status for me. Many I do not trust to be competent grown-ups and why I work for them as a Contractor.
Quote:
If 20 guys fire their Mexican and that represented all his work, what responsibility does the company have to him?
Sorry, I think I got lost in the Metaphor, there.
Quote:
Don't they have a responsibility to the other employees who do have work? Or themselves and their families?
Now I think we are talking about philosophy and moral issues. At this point of the "Looter Stage" the US has reached with the MBA All-About-Me value system -- this may not be salvagable.
That's being done at all levels of business.
My dept got decimated in 2009 and we went from about 20 to 10 in a matter of 1 hour.
What about the work you ask ? Oh those of us left were re-assigned their jobs as well as our own.
That year we got no raises or bonuses yet the corporation had a banner year of profits.
Had 3 years to go for early retirement. I just layed low and did the min.
Any loyalty for the company was gone 100%...I was there for the paycheck only.
As of 2012...of the 10 that were spared there are only 2 left working there under the manager.
2 of us retired and 6 left for other companies that were coming to Austin which had sprung a mini tech boom.
Yep and to add, the company usually would rather have a revolving door of employees filling the position rather than pay a higher wage and keep a long term person.
But when a business starts losing profits, they MUST continue paying for labor that they cannot afford?
They are called "greedy pigs", but you are being responsible?
It's basically the same thing. When you need to cut services, you do.....without regard for the people that you effect.
Who is saying it isn't okay for business to fire people?
Most employees are at will, and work only when they want to (and their employer wants them). Some people have unions and contracts that sever this . . .which I don't like, but it is their contract. The employer signed it.
No one says you can't fire someone. . .but you need to fire them based on the relationship/contract/laws of the state.
Yep and to add, the company usually would rather have a revolving door of employees filling the position rather than pay a higher wage and keep a long term person.
I worked for a multi-national. No revolving door..the jobs were filled by India/China who are even cheaper than new hire college graduates.
Entry level work for teens (retail) ....taken over by illegals, those layed off, those needing supplemental income.
Entry level work for college grads....taken over by cheap offshore equivalents or H1Bs if the work is here.
Not really. There are quite a few more responsibilities than *just* payroll.
Which is a big one itself.
Starts with: Taxes, Safety, Health, Wage Rates, and (sometimes) Retirements, Pensions, Vacations, Holidays, on and on.
If you wish to dump them on "Friday" there is likely: Unemployment, Cobra, follow-on Health and Liabilities.
Being a competent and proper employer is a Real Grown Up Job.
Part of why I avoid and encourage those I work for to avoid "Employee" status for me. Many I do not trust to be competent grown-ups and why I work for them as a Contractor.
Sorry, I think I got lost in the Metaphor, there.
Now I think we are talking about philosophy and moral issues. At this point of the "Looter Stage" the US has reached with the MBA All-About-Me value system -- this may not be salvagable.
Well this is where the globalism fun starts. In the old days expecting your slaves to become talented vascular surgeons was a lot to ask after one too many roasted pheasants. So the idea was to not have a pauperized work force of penniless idiots in the US. Educating and maintaining a healthy workforce was seen as important to national prosperity.
Now however with classical liberalism perverted into neo liberalism slight of hand, the idea is to import labor from countries that provide free education rather than hire debt ridden locals. So the road to wealth these days is educational arbitrage. You are born in a socialist country that pays for your education and then in your prime you move to a "successful" capitalist country concerned with the next three months in the quarterly report that is a self contained jewel of its own magnificence.
I wonder why these countries don't make their students sign a no compete clause?
I worked for a multi-national. No revolving door..the jobs were filled by India/China who are even cheaper than new hire college graduates.
Entry level work for teens (retail) ....taken over by illegals, those layed off, those needing supplemental income.
Entry level work for college grads....taken over by cheap offshore equivalents or H1Bs if the work is here.
Welcome to the big sucking sound. But on a local I have seen it, a company will designate a wage to a position and woUld rather have people quit on a regular basis than pay any extra to keep someone who is good long term. They would rather have to fill a position like janitor every couple months than pay a little extra to keep someone that is reliable and does work good. While that position is waiting to be filled again by someone willing to do it, they get another employee to fill in extra, no extra pay of course.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
