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Old 10-14-2007, 07:51 PM
 
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It's not even a cornerstone of Catholicism, there have been married Popes in the past.

One explanation I've read and been unable to verify as truth or fiction is that celibacy was instituted because priests with families were leaving their estates to those families, the church preferred to be the inheritor.
I've read that as well. Besides, mandatory celibacy arose in the Middle Ages—under feudalism, where ownership of land was the key to wealth. That fact would seem to buttress the veracity of your explanation.
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:14 PM
 
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What is the deal with these catholic priests?
The Vatican said Saturday it has suspended a monsignor from a senior post at the Holy See after an Italian TV program using a hidden camera recorded him making advances to a young man and asserting that gay sex was not sinful.
Vatican suspends Italian monsignor over gay sex - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/13/gay.monsignor.ap/index.html - broken link)
hahaha.. People never learn.
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:05 AM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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Wrong. I know from experience that you are closed-minded, prejudiced and biased on this issue, but priests who are gay are NOT people who sexually molest children. Priests who are pedophiles sexually molest children.


So you are in denial that all those male gay priest were molesting young boys only?
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Coming soon to a town near YOU!
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So you are in denial that all those male gay priest were molesting young boys only?
It is not just boys that are molested (they are a majority at about 90% of Catholic priests, but that is hardly "young boys only" and thus not a purely gay issue).

Clergy Who Molest (http://ffrf.org/timely/epidstudy.php - broken link)

Non-Catholic religious figures also molest, sadly.

Slightly more than half of the Protestant ministers molested girls

I was wondering, is "illegal immigrant" another term for "opposing viewpoints"? It just seems like we've done this dance before
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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So you are in denial that all those male gay priest were molesting young boys only?
No... I think that priests who are pedophiles who are gay would molest children of an equivalent gender. That pretty much stands to reason.
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Old 10-15-2007, 08:27 AM
 
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Wrong. I know from experience that you are closed-minded, prejudiced and biased on this issue...
Yikes! Are you sure this personal flame isn't directed at citigirl simply because she disagrees with you?
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Somewhere along the path to where I'd like to be.
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Take the whole "black president" thing to another thread, people!

Update on the story in the OP (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/14/gay.monsignor.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch - broken link): Now the priest is saying he isn't really gay, but was only pretending to be gay as part of his work. Since when does a priest pretend to be something the church says is sinful, simply so he can gather information about that sinful lifestyle? What kind of witness is that for the church, regardless of what it thinks about a particular lifestyle?
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:41 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The Catholic church needs to clean house. They have lost millions on homosexual pedophile priests.


The original story speaks of a gay member of the clergy and a young man, nowhere is he identified as being under the age of consent.

Why are you attempting to take this OT? Despite your personal demons and bias, homosexual does not equal pedophile
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:46 PM
 
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The Catholic church needs to clean house. They have lost millions on homosexual pedophile priests.
The story was about a priest soliciting gay sex from someone who was not identified as being a child or even underage. Yet you choose to imply that gay men are also pedophiles? Does that help fuel your disgust for gay people?

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So you are in denial that all those male gay priest were molesting young boys only?
Not all church molestations were from gay priest molesting boys. Some priests molested girls too. Or do you feel it wasn’t so bad because at least it was from the opposite sex?
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:51 PM
 
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The story was about a priest soliciting gay sex from someone who was not identified as being a child or even underage. Yet you choose to imply that gay men are also pedophiles? Does that help fuel your disgust for gay people?



Not all church molestations were from gay priest molesting boys. Some priests molested girls too. Or do you feel it wasn’t so bad because at least it was from the opposite sex?
The Catholic Chruch has lost millions in lawsuits to young boys that were molested by gay priests. It has been in the news. I cannot imagine how you have missed it. This thread is about a Catholic gay priest. My comments are to point out that hidtorically gay priest have proven to be a total disaster for the Catholic Church.
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