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Old 11-28-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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I'm asking this because those on the left are giving Susan Rice a pass by saying she was mislead by institutional incompetence. Is this the same case with the false pretexts that lead the country into war in Iraq?
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:21 PM
 
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Susan Rice recited unclassified talking points on news shows. The same talking points the Senators that are had. The Bush Admin sent diplomats to the UN where one official wagged vials of alleged WMDs while another talked about imminent mushrooms clouds in order to scare congress and our allies into supporting a full scale ground invasion of a sovereign nation. The two situation are nothing alike.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:26 PM
 
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Susan Rice recited unclassified talking points on news shows. The same talking points the Senators that are had. The Bush Admin sent diplomats to the UN where one official wagged vials of alleged WMDs while another talked about imminent mushrooms clouds in order to scare congress and our allies into supporting a full scale ground invasion of a sovereign nation. The two situation are nothing alike.
Could you post reliable links to the above? I just read the book "500 Days" giving the background as to what lead up to the Iraq invasion. No where were your claims above mentioned.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:37 PM
 
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I'm asking this because those on the left are giving Susan Rice a pass by saying she was mislead by institutional incompetence. Is this the same case with the false pretexts that lead the country into war in Iraq?
Unfortunately for those on the left, Rice admitted in questioning that she had seen the unedited information that did include the information on it being a terrorist attack so their excuse for Rice has collapsed.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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I'm asking this because those on the left are giving Susan Rice a pass by saying she was mislead by institutional incompetence. Is this the same case with the false pretexts that lead the country into war in Iraq?
In the case of Iraq, it was clear that the Administration cooked the books on Iraq and ignored the CiA. The Administration went so far as to set up its own intelligence shop. The CIA warned the administration about their single source Curveball, the CIA warned the administration about the trustworthiness of Ahmad Chalabi but the White House ignored them.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - Salon.com

Neglecting Intelligence, Ignoring Warnings | Center for American Progress

Cherry Picking the Facts on Pre-War Intelligence | Center for American Progress

Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up secret review | World news | The Guardian

Who Lost the WMD? - TIME
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:50 PM
 
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In the case of Iraq, it was clear that the Administration cooked the books on Iraq and ignored the CiA. The Administration went so far as to set up its own intelligence shop. The CIA warned the administration about their single source Curveball, the CIA warned the administration about the trustworthiness of Ahmad Chalabi but the White House ignored them.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - Salon.com

Neglecting Intelligence, Ignoring Warnings | Center for American Progress

Cherry Picking the Facts on Pre-War Intelligence | Center for American Progress

Powell's doubts over CIA intelligence on Iraq prompted him to set up secret review | World news | The Guardian

Who Lost the WMD? - TIME

What, no Huffington to report "reliable sources close to the Administration, blah, blah, blah..."?
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:54 PM
 
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Unfortunately for those on the left, Rice admitted in questioning that she had seen the unedited information that did include the information on it being a terrorist attack so their excuse for Rice has collapsed.


Yeah, but those are just facts!
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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I blame global warming.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:02 AM
 
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Could you post reliable links to the above? I just read the book "500 Days" giving the background as to what lead up to the Iraq invasion. No where were your claims above mentioned.
One of the problems with internet forums is that posting citations lends itself to posting from websites because citations from books limits the ability of others to verify the source materials. This is further hindered by the fact that responses have to posted in a timely manner. Having said that, posting the title of one of the dozens of books especially considering the fact that you neglected to post a single passage from it does little to bolster your argument.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:04 AM
 
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What, no Huffington to report "reliable sources close to the Administration, blah, blah, blah..."?
I don't find Huffington Post, a news aggregator, to be of much use. Sorry to disappoint.

So is there anything on topic that you would like to add?
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