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The OP makes some very good points. But that means you live in section 8 housing, which isn't such a good choice and that means you are limited on school choices and likely not the best schools for kids. All this also goes out the window if you have no kids. Once kids leave, you're screwed for the rest of your life.
Do you people ever tire of posting the same things over and over again? A person on government assistance does better than someone making 60K/year, there is always a minority in the grocery store that uses an EBT card, has a handicap sticker and drives off in a luxury vehicle, blacks voted for Obama because they want free stuff, liberals are jealous of the rich and want to take their money, and 47% of the population are takers.
These conservatives who chain email this stuff are sick in the head. The type of mentality a person would possess to bs themselves into believing that a single mom headed family or any family making 14,500 is living as well or better than a family making 60,000 is astonishing.
I think that is the worst case scenario. Not to mention the quality of life for the person making 60k a year is probably better as well.
I'd certinly hope it is;he actaully wortks. but some seem tot hink not workig and havig all that free time is worth it ; not work. A few black work market jobs adds up also.
The guy that made that chart doesn't know what the heck he is doing. A family of four making $60K doesn't pay any where near $13K in payroll and FIT. Take the $60K subtract out the standard deduction ($11,900) and personal exemptions (4 x $3800) and you are left with $32,900 in taxable income. That gets you a tax bill of $4065. Then subtract out the child tax credit and the tax bill drops to $2065. Add in FICA and you get $6655. That is the maximum assuming that they have no other deductions. Child care tax credits, FSA accounts, and pre-tax health insurance premiums could knock their FIT down to $0 really easily.
If he can't calculate that part right, it doesn't give me much confidence in the rest.
Let's suppose your numbers are right. Then if we plug in $6655 as the tot. fed. tax bill for the $60K familiy, the bottom line becomes $37,777 for the $14.5K family, and $40,745 for the $60K family.
That is still a pretty amazing pair of numbers.
Beyond that, a problem I see with this table is that the welfare family is imputed $16K of income for their medical, while that line is zero for the $60K family. But chances are the $60K family has a decent health plan thru their employer, which should be counted as imputed income. Then that line might be $10-15K, not zero.
It would be interesting to see what a table based on more realistic numbers would yield. I bet it would be still pretty telling, but no matter what, lefties would find nits to pick and declare the whole thing null &void.
Yes, because the 1% rentier will not give up their financial rip off so the only alternative for those not in on the scam is a welfare state. I keep telling you that. The 1% created the welfare state. If you box someone in a cell, all you can do it feed them. Pay the land value tax or shut your land rentier traps including those in Wall Street sticking their interest drawing mortgage fangs into it. . You did this.
The political debate is welfare vs landed gentry.
The productive populace is now a politically insignificant minority. Capital and labor work for all you leaches.
These conservatives who chain email this stuff are sick in the head. The type of mentality a person would possess to bs themselves into believing that a single mom headed family or any family making 14,500 is living as well or better than a family making 60,000 is astonishing.
I know one- I made 67k last yr - I have no kids. My friend who has 3 kids and doesn't work had way more income than me to spend every month she had more food stamps than they could eat, nice apartment with rent 100% paid (nicer than my apartment), utility discounts, medical expenses paid, and childcare discounts.
By the time I buy a meager amout of groceries, pay my medical expenses, my rent (which is less than her rent), and our similar bills like utilities- she has way more money each month than I do. So, I would have been better off financially and stress-wise having kids at 18 years old, rather than going to college and getting a 60k a year job. I also have students loans I pay on every month - of course she has none. They go out to eat, have nice clothes, and her car is new. I would say that her standard of living and mine are similar - maybe hers is a little better. She can get medical services I cannot - I have to pay a huge amount just to walk into an emergency room. She goes there all the time for free with medicaid. That is just the way it is.
I know one- I made 67k last yr - I have no kids. My friend who has 3 kids and doesn't work had way more income than me to spend every month she had more food stamps than they could eat, nice apartment with rent 100% paid (nicer than my apartment), utility discounts, medical expenses paid, and childcare discounts.
By the time I buy a meager amout of groceries, pay my medical expenses, my rent (which is less than her rent), and our similar bills like utilities- she has way more money each month than I do. So, I would have been better off financially and stress-wise having kids at 18 years old, rather than going to college and getting a 60k a year job. I also have students loans I pay on every month - of course she has none. They go out to eat, have nice clothes, and her car is new. I would say that her standard of living and mine are similar - maybe hers is a little better. She can get medical services I cannot - I have to pay a huge amount just to walk into an emergency room. She goes there all the time for free with medicaid. That is just the way it is.
Thank you for this opinion piece about your "friend" you have.
Clearly this list is way off if they choose not to include the benefits (like health insurance) of a 60k job.
Section 8 vouchers are also not really that common; they issue a limited number that are given away by lottery. The largest city in the country had only 102,000 as of this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/ny...anted=all&_r=0 I actually am against low income housing more than any other kind of welfare, but to portray it as part of a general problem is incorrect because it is a rare luxury (which is why it wastes money and doesn't actually help the general population of poor people).
Are you also against the widespread local policies (exclusionary zoning, NIMBY, excessive taxatiion and regulation of rentals) that make low income housing so scarce and expensive?
Those on welfare should have a much lower standard of living than anyone who is working. This is why the lower working class should not vote Democrat (and many don't which confuses Dems).
Many bring up a good point about kids. If you have children you have nothing to worry about whatsoever, You will be taken care of. If you don't have kids watch out, the system is set against you. You will be paying taxes to support other peoples children. If you are down on your luck you could very well end up on the streets, welfare handouts are for parents only, mostly single moms who are married to the state,
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