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Old 06-28-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Sorry, but rights cannot be voted away. Otherwise, today, Blacks would still be slaves.
Tell that to the 30-odd states that have voted same-sex marriage bans into their constitutions. I hope every one of them is struck down.

 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The people do not get to vote away the rights of other people. Sorry
There is no constitutional right to marry. What happened in CA is that people elected to enforce the law and uphold the will of the people decided they didn't have to. Think what you want about gay rights but that is a dangerous precedent. Our system of checks and balances only works when our leaders act as they are charged to act.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Tell that to the 30-odd states that have voted same-sex marriage bans into their constitutions. I hope every one of them is struck down.
How could they be I thought states had the right to choose?
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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How could they be I thought states had the right to choose?
As of now, they do choose. We'll see how long those laws last.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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There is no constitutional right to marry.
False. SCOTUS has ruled in at least 14 cases that marriage is a fundamental right. That would seem to imply "constitutional."
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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next time people from other places start trashing california.....

'WE THE PEOPLE' of California voted in favor of the traditional definition of marriage. as a matter of fact, despite heavy investment from the liberal elite guay lobby, we won by almost one million votes

our state supreme court upheld our will

its only when the liberal elite steered this case to a judge from ILLINOIS, a closeted guay man who had a vested interest in prop 8 being overturned, as he had been in a relationship for over 10 years with another guay person. so naturally he did overturn it, and as it stands, the liberal elite whose palms are heavily greased by the no on 8 crowd, made it so vaughn walker's voice was the last voice to be heard. in other words, over 7 million voices were muted by one single, unobjective person

its a pretty good scam if you know how to work it. if the powers that be dont like what the public wants, just get one of your judge buddies to declare it unconstitutional, then refuse to defend it before the higher courts, knowing the SCOTUS wont let ordinary citizens have a voice in state rights matters

and voila, there you have the perfect vicious circle. hugo chabez must be down in his box kicking himself for not having thought of such a perfect plan. great if your a "by any means necessary" demagogue, but a very scary precedent for "WE THE PEOPLE"
There are over 38 million people in California and those 7 million who voted yes should never ever have had the right to take away anyones rights, gay, straight, jew, black or white. No majority should have the right to deny rights to any minority, ever. I take it that you are a white majority christian who thinks that your morals and your ways are the only ways that should be legal. That is tyranny plain and simple. Besides, prop H8 was promoted with blatant lies promulgated by the National Organization of Marriage which is just another anti gay, christian backed bigotted comglomeration of fools.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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There is no constitutional right to marry. What happened in CA is that people elected to enforce the law and uphold the will of the people decided they didn't have to. Think what you want about gay rights but that is a dangerous precedent. Our system of checks and balances only works when our leaders act as they are charged to act.
No, but there is a constitutional right to equal protection under the law.
AMENDMENT XIV

SECTION 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I guess you missed that part.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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LOL, wow, talk about "by any means necessary". good to know someone 3000 miles away is so authoritative....

i find it ironic all the hubbub the left is raising over the voters rights act, while at the same time celebrating california voters having their vote voided by a judge who should have recused himself. a judge who when asked about the aftermath of his decision, did not say "i've rendered my decision" or "its in the hands of a different judges", he said "I'VE DONE MY PART". no undertones with that choice of words...*wink wink*

prop 8's victory was largely attributed to our "minority" population (silly to say, since there is no majority population in california) coming out to the polls to vote for obama

obviously the left has zero problem with voters will being usurped. at all. they only have a problem when the "minorities" they purport to represent get "uppity" and step out of line like they did on prop 8

I live here in California, so here is a site for the information on how many Californians currently support marriage equality and it is now close to 60%. And this site seems to be one with some religious backing. The minorities were swayed by blatant lies spread by the promoters of proposition H8 and their churches which posted signs at their sites of worship asking them to vote yes. And to me it was disheartening to see minorities vote yes to remove a right from another minority. I have always wanted to know how they would feel with the shoe on the other foot and it being their rights being removed by the majority. Bet it would suck and make one feel alienated and a second class citizen viewed with disdain and treated like an abomination. I think it is sick that so many use their religion to promote anti equality for others. Sick sick sick people.

Poll: In post-Prop. 8 California, majority supports same-sex 'marriage'
 
Old 06-28-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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No, but there is a constitutional right to equal protection under the law.
Marriage is not literally in the constitution. But a lot of things aren't in there. SCOTUS interprets the constitution; on 14 occasions it has declared that marriage is a fundamental right. That's close enough.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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You are being purposely antagonistic to compare those who believe in religion with the mentally ill. You are also, may I remind you, in a distinct minority with your feelings about religion.
For now. The number of people who do not associate or accept any form of organized religion is growing every year. People are finally seeing what a gigantic scam is actually is.

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Think for a moment about those who were quite devout and would you say they too had 'mental defects'? Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi, Mother Teresa. These are just a few people that I think most would consider quite important historical and cultural figures. In your viewpoint, they all suffer from weak minds and are best viewed as akin to someone with mental illness. I believe your encompassing hate for religion is clouding your judgement.
Funny you mention those 3. Should I run down the list of what extreme hypocrites they were?

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I do not subscribe to any religion as I have not felt it necessary in my life. However, I can say that for several things. Nonetheless, I think to call all those who do choose to have some belief system or religion somehow lesser than myself would be elevating myself to some higher intellectual plane that would be foolish of me to do so. Quite simply, stop being so arrogant. You're coming off as an elitist with very little facts to support your position and mostly blind hatred that you're trying to pass off as enlightenment.
I am far from an elitist, I am just an intelligent and sane adult who doesnt believe in fairy tales.

Religious people cannot say the same.
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