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Old 12-10-2012, 04:56 PM
 
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Um. No.

That's not how sexuality works.

A person who has "some" bisexual orientation is likely NOT going to marry someone of the same sex if they have stronger feelings towards someone of the opposite sex.

And, being in a "traditional neighborhood" is not going to change anyone's sexuality. If it makes gay people marry straight people, than that is a horrible result.

Better to have your lesbian daughter shack up with another woman and adopt or have biological children (the way MANY MANY already do). Likewise with a gay son.
even though I disagree with your premise
lets say that they were equaly attracted to men and woman you don't think they're neighborhood would effect their behaviors?

PS if someone was even somewhat attracted to a member of the opposite sex you don't think in certain communities they would still marry someone of the opposite sex even if they were more attracted more to members of the same sex?

 
Old 12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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Actually, it is a marriage if the ceremony is a marriage ceremony/service.

States should recognize contracts from other states. A Marriage License is nothing but a civil contract.
NY doesn't recognize drivers license's of kids under the age of 16 even if their state allows them to drive. let's start WWIII over kids rights.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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Suppose your son has some bisexual orientation.
OK.

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If you live with gay couple next door, your son is likely to "marry" a man in the future.
Preposterous. First, if my son was bisexual and decided to marry a man, that is his choice, and his right, and I would support him. Ditto if he decided to marry a woman.

And to return to the original point that I was making, even if your comment were not off the charts stupid (but rest assured, it is), it makes no difference, as I could end up next door to a gay couple without gay marriage being legal.

As could you.

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If you live in a traditional neighborhood, your son is likely to marry a woman and raise grand children for you.
Are you suggesting that legal same sex marriage is somehow going to change the geographical (is that too big of a word for you?) patterns of the homosexuals who already exist?
 
Old 12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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actually that was just the icing on the cake so to speak

what we're really celebrating is the fact that a band of few religious Jews defeated the powerful assimilated Jewish forces who were trying to force their anti Torah agenda through the most powerful government of the time.
PS One of those values that they were fighting against was the greeks acceptability of Homosexuality (even the Greeks weren't perverse enough to allow marriage).

To understand the true miracle of the Chanuka story in today's context
if some non religious Jewish gays tried to use the US government to force Jews to hire gays in Jewish schools. Then A few religious Jews would gather together and fight all non religious jews and the US government to stop them. Then this rag tag group actually defeats the US army and establish a independent political entity.

Hannukah:

Celebration of the triumph of religous freedom, or the celebration of the triumph of superstition over reason?

And this brings us back to the story of Hannukah. While the Maccabees were fighting for freedom from Greek occupation and oppression they were not fighting for religious freedom for all. In fact they were also involved in a civil was with the Hellenized Jews of their day. Like the Puritans who landed at Plymouth Rock, the Maccabees had a very narrow view of who and what they would accept when it came to religion; neither believed in a pluralistic approach to religion. And yet we celebrate both Thanksgiving and Hanukkah as holidays of religious freedom.

Rabbi Michael M. Cohen: Thanksgiving and Hanukkah: Celebrating Religious Freedom




Face it. You religous conservatives are literally unfit for life in the United States, because freedom is incompatible with your religion.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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It is still not 100% clear whether sexual orientation is acquired after birth, for some individuals.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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NY doesn't recognize drivers license's of kids under the age of 16 even if their state allows them to drive.
Perhaps not.

But they do honor same sex marriages done in other state. So very sorry for you.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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OK.



Preposterous. First, if my son was bisexual and decided to marry a man, that is his choice, and his right, and I would support him. Ditto if he decided to marry a woman.

And to return to the original point that I was making, even if your comment were not off the charts stupid (but rest assured, it is), it makes no difference, as I could end up next door to a gay couple without gay marriage being legal.

As could you.



Are you suggesting that legal same sex marriage is somehow going to change the geographical (is that too big of a word for you?) patterns of the homosexuals who already exist?
If something is not legal, it means it is not approved by the public, and thus not encouraged by the society.
It has a HUGE impact on children's values and ideology.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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An observation:

The Supreme Court decision to hear the same-sex marriage law cases has really catapaulted the issue into the very center and spotlight of American politics, hasn't it?

The legalization and recognition of Marriage Equality is only a matter of time.

Conservative Republican writer and commentater George Will flatly stated "Oppisition to legalized gay marriage is literally dying."
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:07 PM
 
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An observation:

The Supreme Court decision to hear the same-sex marriage law cases has really catapaulted the issue into the very center and spotlight of American politics, hasn't it?

The legalization and recognition of Marriage Equality is only a matter of time.

Conservative Republican writer and commentater George Will flatly stated "Oppisition to legalized gay marriage is literally dying."
It is true the US is becoming more and more liberal.
However, I suppose "marriage" will not exist in the US soon, not to mention same sex marriage. Over 50% marriage lead to divorce anyway. Legalizing same sex marriage only makes the process even faster.

In Netherlands, same sex marriage lasts two years, on average.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Good, I hope they overturn DOMA
Oh, they will overturn DOMA! Perhaps only one or two provisions of DOMA, but it will be overturned.
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