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Old 06-26-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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Causation --- Correlation.
Doesnt explain your reply
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Hey, we are constantly treated to tidbits about Rome falling because of its moral decadence, etc.... yet Rome was at its HEIGHT of power when it was most decadent sexually.
But even the most immoral nations can go without collapsing if they have a firm fiscal policy. Some would claim China is a good example of that..
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Surely, Rome's problems were much more complex than Christianity, but it's nice that you can pick out my quote while bypassing such nonsense as that posited by "Bettafish" that moral crises precede falling empires.
That nonsense was already disputed by numerous posters...

 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Once Prop 8 makes it to the SCOTUS on the merits, today's decision will likely result in it's being overturned. Till then it stands.
Wrong, the lower court declared it unconstitutional. H8 is gone for good.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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Start paying taxes on your clubhouses, and you'll have a financial argument. Until you start giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's, stay out of matters of state.
This.

You dont get to be the moral, and legal, authority in America whilst not paying any taxes whatsoever. The same people who labast illegal immigrants for using a system they dont pay into.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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And SCOTUS tacitly said that states are still allowed to discriminate if they so choose. All those constitutional bans stand.
I agree, it didn't go far enough, but that said, all those state bans aren't going to last.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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You - you have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Two lower courts turned down Prop 8, but its backers kept appealing. Today the Supremes found that the backers of Prop 8 had no standing to defend it in Federal court. This means that the Lower Court ruling stands. The Lower Court that, to recap, found against Prop 8.

Prop 8 is dead.
But the ruling on DOMA made it very clear that states are free to establish their own rules for marriage. This will of course encourage someone to re-write Prop 8 using different verbage and then have it rechallenged, and possibly held up the next time by the Supreme Court as ok since the states can decide for themself.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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But the ruling on DOMA made it very clear that states are free to establish their own rules for marriage. This will of course encourage someone to re-write Prop 8 using different verbage and then have it rechallenged, and possibly held up the next time by the Supreme Court as ok since the states can decide for themself.
A new proposition would have to go before the voters. No way in hell would a new Prop 8 pass again. It's dead. D-E-A-D.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Start paying taxes on your clubhouses, and you'll have a financial argument. Until you start giving unto Caesar what is Caesar's, stay out of matters of state.
I pay taxes just like everyone else, and I do not appreciate my money used to kill babies, or to support immorality. Period. It is (was) my constitutional right to live my life as dictated by my faith. That right has been thrown out the window.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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A new proposition would have to go before the voters. No way in hell would a new Prop 8 pass again. It's dead. D-E-A-D.
You guys said it wouldnt pass the first time...

They voted for it before, and now with the Supreme Court ruling marriage is a state issue, that the federal government must recognize, I expect it to push forward the opponents of gay marriage to try to write legislation on a state by state basis to ban it.

To pretend the issue is dead is completely ridiculous.. on both sides of the aisle.
 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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Michele Bachmann:

"Marriage was created by the hand of God. No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted."

 
Old 06-26-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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But the ruling on DOMA made it very clear that states are free to establish their own rules for marriage. This will of course encourage someone to re-write Prop 8 using different verbage and then have it rechallenged, and possibly held up the next time by the Supreme Court as ok since the states can decide for themself.
Of course, in 2013 (and in the future), the demographics and acceptance of marriage equality (especially in California) create an environment in which it is unlikely a ban will be passed. This isn't 2004 anymore. Sure...maybe in Mississippi or Oklahoma...but it will eventually be accepted near universally.
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