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No, talking points. The reality of looking at my paycheck and seeing that the government is giving me money to save for retirement, that is a government program.
I say it again, there is a tax rate on income. You save money in a retirement account oftentimes with a company match and the governments says because you saved money in a retirement account we are going to lower you taxable income.
This is the Same thing as the government collecting taxes on your income throughout the year and then sending you a check because you saved money in a retirement account.
It is government spending. It is a government program. And that is objective reality.
You certainly put a different spin on things.
But yeah.
Ya see...the govt. actually gets more from us through our 401(k) then if we were just taxed on our incomes immediately.
Well, if the damn things grow.....and they SHOULD.
'Tis a govt. program nevertheless.
Do some folks here think that the 401(k) idea was dreamt up by State Farm?
wait, wait... Invented and overseen is not MANAGED! Also, soon will be manipulated by the government does not mean that it is currently being managed by the government. Who's on crack now?
They don't manage anything! You need a dictionary man...Seriously. Do you even know what the SEC does? With your logic, since the SEC is supposed to oversee many things on Wall Street, then that means the government is managing all those accounts on WS too?
They don't manage anything! You need a dictionary man...Seriously. Do you even know what the SEC does? With your logic, since the SEC is supposed to oversee many things on Wall Street, then that means the government is managing all those accounts on WS too?
They are NOT giving you money! It is not THEIRS to give YOU! What is really happening is that YOU are NOT giving THEM more of YOUR money and it's perfectly legal and setup that way!
Not this fantasy again.
Here is basic reality. Iamme73 thinks the federal government can collect taxes from me. This means that I agree that I owe the federal government.
When you agree that you owe someone what that means is portion of what was yours now BELONGS to them.
If that person or business or government that you agree that you owe, says well if you do x, y, z, then you owe me less, by definition that person or business or government is spending money because the money that you legally agree that you owe them they are taking less.
Now if you don't think the government has a right to tax then I guess you can go with the fiction that this is your money.
But if you are sane and you agree that the government has the right to collect taxes from you, then you are agreeing that you owe the government. And again agreeing that you owe someone is saying that a portion of what was yours BELONGS to them.
So no, the taxes the government collects is their money or else I wouldn't give it. I agree its their money because I agree that I owe taxes.
So does every other American that recognizes that the federal government has a right to tax them.
Here is basic reality. Iamme73 thinks the federal government can collect taxes from me. This means that I agree that I owe the federal government.
When you agree that you owe someone what that means is portion of what was yours now BELONGS to them.
If that person or business or government that you agree that you owe, says well if you do x, y, z, then you owe me less, by definition that person or business or government is spending money because the money that you legally agree that you owe them they are taking less.
Now if you don't think the government has a right to tax then I guess you can go with the fiction that this is your money.
But if you are sane and you agree that the government has the right to collect taxes from you, then you are agreeing that you owe the government. And again agreeing that you owe someone is saying that a portion of what was yours BELONGS to them.
So no, the taxes the government collects is their money or else I wouldn't give it. I agree its their money because I agree that I owe taxes.
So does every other American that recognizes that the federal government has a right to tax them.
Please deal with reality.
That's what YOU believe, stoop forcing YOUR beliefs on others. If you truly believe that, then put your money where your mouth is a pay up sucka!
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