School forces child to remove ‘god’ from veteran’s day poem: ‘separation of church & state (speech, crime)

[buddy5]

Originally Posted by redfish1

As compared to militant theists?

Militant anything is dangerous but since you brought it up I would like to point out that atheists commit less crime than theists do.

Unless murder is a crime. Between Stalin and Mao, they killed about
100 to a 130,ooo,ooo people.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...uBhiRpDk8pctfg

How many people did Stalin kill? - The Russia Blog - Siberian Light

[mmmjv]

Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC

I've yet to see a liberal come to the defense of "God" although they are very quick to point out that "there are Christians liberals too!!!!!!"

Their silence speaks volumes.

Why don't you try listening?

THE ACLU FIGHTS FOR CHRISTIANS
The ACLU fights just as hard for INDIVIDUAL free exercise of religion as the ACLU fights against GOVERNMENT endorsement, sponsorship, or establishment of religion. Despite this fact, many people spread misinformation about the ACLU around the internet, innocently and maliciously, falsely claiming the ACLU is anti-religion or anti-Christian.

This list of FACTS counteracts that misinformation. These links represent just a few of the many examples of the ACLU defending the free speech and free exercise rights of Christians (for purposes of this list, the word “Christian” means a person who self-identifies as “Christian”).

In every example, the ACLU is defending the right of a Christian to speak as a Christian or to practice Christianity.

Here is the current version of this EVER GROWING list:

ACLU of Colorado Supports Students Wearing Christian Symbols in the Colorado Springs School District

ACLU-NJ Defends Christian Student's Anti-Abortion Speech

ACLU of Tennessee Defends Christian Students' Right to Preach in Public Park

ACLU of Virginia Defends Christian Students' Right to Protest Against ACLU at Public School

ACLU Defends Christian Students Wearing Anti-Islam Shirts to Florida Public School

ACLU Fights For Christian Inmate's Right to Preach

ACLU of Northern California Fights Law that Got Quakers Fired Over Loyalty Oath

ACLU Defends Christian Librarian Disciplined for Refusing to Promote Harry Potter

ACLU Defends Right of Individual Christian to Display Nativity Scene on Public Property

ACLU Defends Christians Protesting Gay Rights in Florida

ACLU Champions Religious Freedom Of Mormon College Student

ACLU Fights for Christian Church's Mission to Feed the Poor

ACLU Fights for Christmas Tree

ACLU Files Suit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protesting Wal-Mart's Policy on Gays

ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit

ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison

ACLU of WA Wins Right of Christian Minister to Preach in Spokane Plaza

ACLU Fights for Baptist Preacher in Illinois

ACLU Defends Rights of Christian Group to Make Religious Protest at Funerals

ACLU Backs Christian Abortion Protester in Ohio

ACLU of Oregon Defends Religious Liberty Of Adventist School Boys Basketball Players

ACLU Backs Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Cross-Shaped Lapel Pin

ACLU Defends Christian Street Preacher in Las Vegas

ACLU Argues for Legal Recognition of Small Christian Church

ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages

ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways

ACLU Defends Inmate's Access to Material from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

ACLU Defends Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Florida Cemetery

ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

ACLU Argument In Support of the Display of a Christian Cross in a Public Forum

ACLU Defends Christian Worker Required to Remove Bible from Desk at Government Job

ACLU Defends Free Speech Rights of Christians And Others On Main Street Plaza

ACLU Defends Prisoner's Rosary Beads

ACLU Defends Christian Group's Anti-Abortion Ads On Phoenix Buses

ACLU Pledges to Back Church in a Zoning Battle

ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church

ACLU Offers To Represent Private Prayer on Public Property and

ACLU Joins Falwell To Fight For Church Incorporation Rights

The ACLU Fights for Christians

[mmmjv]

The ACLU Is Not Evil
And neither are many people with whom we disagree.
Stephen L. Carter [ posted 5/1/2006 12:00AM ]
I would like to say a word in defense of the American Civil Liberties Union. Christians—including me, both in the pages of CT and elsewhere—often criticize the ACLU for advocating separation of church and state in ways that seem less grounded in the Constitution and in history than in an ideological desire for a religion-free public arena. On the other hand, I shudder when fellow Christians blithely dismiss the organization as fundamentally biased against them. Some call it the Anti-Christian Liberals Union or the Anti-Christian Litigation Unit. There are other, less friendly acronyms as well. I think the ACLU is wrong to oppose religious expression in the public square, but being wrong is not the same as being evil.
More to the point, the ACLU is often right about the First Amendment's free exercise clause, taking on fights that others refuse. It might surprise some critics that the ACLU defends the free speech and free exercise rights of, well, Christians.

Continues at The ACLU Is Not Evil | Christianity Today

[davidv]

Originally Posted by buddy5

Unless murder is a crime. Between Stalin and Mao, they killed about
100 to a 130,ooo,ooo people.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...uBhiRpDk8pctfg

How many people did Stalin kill? - The Russia Blog - Siberian Light

I don't have a dog in this fight, but as a historian I really felt I should point out that when you bring up this topic, someone is bound to point out the millions of people who have died as a result of religious crusades/wars.

Here's a partial list: The Wars of Muslim Expansion, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The French Wars of Religion, the conquest of the New World (remember the three Gs?).

There are have also been deadly conflicts between Muslims and Christians, Muslims and Jews, Muslims and Hindus, Christians and Jews, Buddhists and Hindus, Hindus and Sikhs, and more.

There have also been individual acts of violence against people who believe in different religions, including: killing of abortion doctors, killing of Jews, witch hunts, stonings and beheadings in the name of religious law, and more.

The list of religious violence is extensive and perpetrated by people of many different faiths. Too bad they don't practice what they preach.

[janelle144]

Originally Posted by NCN

How can a child's parents be to blame? Did they say she could not put God in the paper? I was published in the National Essay Anthology when I was in high school and the essay I wrote mentioned God. The world did not end and the sun still came up the next day, the school was not closed and no one thought it was unacceptable for me to write my own opinion. The censorship of God is unconstitutional. Because a student includes God's name in a poem or essay does not mean that anyone has established a National Religion. Sounds to me like some people have lost their minds or ability to us normal reasoning.

Maybe atheism causes the inability for normal reasoning. Seems so. A little girl saying God is much different than the teacher making the kids learn about any religion.

[redfish1]

Originally Posted by buddy5

Unless murder is a crime. Between Stalin and Mao, they killed about
100 to a 130,ooo,ooo people.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...uBhiRpDk8pctfg

How many people did Stalin kill? - The Russia Blog - Siberian Light

you forgot about this guy and the other billion people killed in the name of god. I hope you're not serious.......

ADOLF HITLER WAS A GOOD CHRISTIAN MAN ( A DOER OF THE WORD ) - YouTube

[chielgirl]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

It is worrisome to me that a SCHOOL, an institute of higher learning, does not understand what the Constitution is saying. How can you teach something if you don't understand it yourself?

20yrsinBranson

Higher learning?
Really, a 6-year old is in an institute of higher learning?
Well, that may be true in the south.

Please provide some proof of a god thing and perhaps I'll change my mind.
From what I can tell, it's only a fabrication.
Why would we accept such nonsense as part of a curriculum?

[jazzarama]

Originally Posted by KaaBoom

You same hypocrites who cry "persecution of Christians" would be same ones who would scream bloody murder in favor of censorship, if next Veterans Day another kid wanted to read a poem like this.

[snip].

What a stupid comparison. The 6 year-old wrote "He prayed to God for peace, He prayed to God for strength" in a poem honoring her grandfathers for Veteran's Day. Not close to being unconstitutional and is offensive only to nitwit extremist anti-religionists.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by DentalFloss

Why is it so important to you religious fanatics to have religion present in school? Are you concerned that absent indoctrination, people will not adhere to your false religion?

Why is it so important for you to deny a 6 year old girl her 1st Amendments rights, and the opportunity to honor her grandfather?

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by DentalFloss

Don't answer a question with a question. Why do you care? Why is it important to you? What difference does it make?

It was important to the 6 year old girl to honor her grandfather.

This is about her and her tribute to a veteran - not anybody else.