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Old 12-01-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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Sure there is and it's been a longstanding one at that.
Where is it?
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: FL
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Obama's plan was nothing but a joke -- a poor attempt at humor or something by Obama. It didn't contain any real spending cut and in fact was more big spending increases. They laughed at it -- but it wasn't all that funny of a thing to pull at a time like this.
and what did they counter with?
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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and what did they counter with?
They didn't counter ~ and apparently, he is supposed to just keep bidding against and negotiating with himself.

I'm on board with going off the cliff, myself.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:24 PM
 
Location: FL
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They didn't counter ~ and apparently, he is supposed to just keep bidding against and negotiating with himself.

I'm on board with going off the cliff, myself.
I don't think the republicans will come into the game and it will have consequences for them next election. I would rather them come up with a compromise but that doesn't seem likely.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Actually both sides presented plans that were designed to be unacceptable to the other side. Same song different day.
The president says raise taxes we'll work out the cuts later. That is a damned fine plan. If you really don't intend to cut spending.
The other side says. Cut spending and we'll look at our revenues later. That isn't much of a plan either. I like it better, but not by much.
How about this.
Raise taxes on the top 2% to Clinton era levels.
Stop refunds that exceed what people paid in taxes.
Cut the military back to 2001 levels. Streamline the military. Smaller more efficent with top shelf hardware.
Merge ATF, DEA, FBI, and the secrete service.
Downsize the EPA and department of energy.
This would be a good start.
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:40 PM
 
Location: NC USA
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Why isn't the GOP laying out specific spending cuts to entitlements they would like to see?
Why isn't the President being a leader and demanding ANY spending cuts? Oh wait, those will come next year (sure they will). Yet idiots on the left keep thinking this will happen.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Why isn't the GOP laying out specific spending cuts to entitlements they would like to see?
Because it's a lame duck session.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Because of the many loopholes, no one actually paid 91% of their income in taxes.
So too with the new marginal rates proposed by the President.

Your point?

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Most common welfare programs are only leading to higher rates of poverty and in 1960 we were the wealthiest nation on the planet -- without all those welfare programs that are making us poor.
We still are the wealthiest nation on the planet with those programs by a factor of almost three.

At the beginning of the 1960s, the poverty rate in the US was 22.4%. As of 2011 (the most recent years for which figures are available) the rate was 15%. And this is even after the impact of the Bush recession.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Are you a three year old or something?
Hmmmm,.. still no actual response. It appears at this point you have stopped even pretending to have a cogent argument and are now merely lashing out in frustration.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You can laugh off a silly first offer
It appears you've never actually been involved in a meaningful negotiation. Laughing at your opposition is not among the recommended tactics for genuine progress.

The Republicans want Obama to negotiate with himself. Not gonna happen.

So... where's the Republican counter?
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