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Old 12-02-2012, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Are you people serious?
As a heart attack.

Where's the Republican counter?

The ball's in the GOP's Court

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Old 12-02-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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It appears you've never actually been involved in a meaningful negotiation. Laughing at your opposition is not among the recommended tactics for genuine progress.

The Republicans want Obama to negotiate with himself. Not gonna happen.

So... where's the Republican counter?
The party in power has to take the lead -- or otherwise, why is it in power? Keep in mind that it's Obama with the huge landslide election and big mandate. He's the all-powerful leader - it's up to him to get er done.

It's Obama with the veto pen after all -- he's the Decider. It would be a foolish waste of time for the party that isn't in power to just propose things he's going to just veto, so he needs to lay it out what he will approve.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The offer was a joke and a complete lie from his position just a few months ago where he called for a $1:$2.5 ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases.
A few month's ago Obama did not have the leverage he has now. Stop mewling and puking and get with the program. These are negotiations. They're not bean bag.

Where's the Republican counter?

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He has no high-ground to negotiate with. He simply is throwing out garbage in an attempt to marginalize republicans and make them offer what his own cabinet officers and debt commission already put up.
Wishful thinking will not help you. The American people are already blaming the Republicans for the stalemate. You guys better get serious about cutting a deal.

Tic-toc.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No. Wrong again -- the Republicans do not have to make a counter-offer to a ridiculous additional spending proposal.
Then there will be no deal. We will go over the fiscal cliff. The Republicans will deservedly take even more of the blame for not having negotiated at all let alone in good faith, and a generation of Americans who suffer through the resulting depression will never forgive them.

The "conservative movement" will be tarred as a disastrous failure and possibly never recover.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What's tiring is you people dismissing your own appointees and commissions and then trying your hardest to blame someone else for your complete and utter failure as trustees.
You chase those whiny red herring all you want Little John.

But back on the topic at hand... where's the Republican counter?
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Like sled dogs say -- either lead or get out the hell out of the way.
Talking dogs now?

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Old 12-02-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Actually both sides presented plans that were designed to be unacceptable to the other side.
Almost all opening positions are unacceptable to the other side. But you have to start somewhere.

As of this moment however, there is only a single offer on the table, and it is the President's. The Republicans have presented nothing, unacceptable or otherwise.

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How about this.
Raise taxes on the top 2% to Clinton era levels.
Stop refunds that exceed what people paid in taxes.
Cut the military back to 2001 levels. Streamline the military. Smaller more efficent with top shelf hardware.
Merge ATF, DEA, FBI, and the secrete service.
Downsize the EPA and department of energy.
This would be a good start.
Fascinating how anonymous posters on internet fora have no problem offering at least the outline of a detailed counter... and yet the Republican members of Congress can do nothing more than sputter, whine and act offended.

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Old 12-02-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Why isn't the President being a leader and demanding ANY spending cuts?
Because it would be a foolish negotiation tactic to offer concessions to the Republicans before they have even made their opening proposal.

Negotiating 101.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The party in power has to take the lead -- or otherwise, why is it in power?
And they have. The president's proposal is on the table. It's been there since Thursday.

Where's the Republican counter?
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:27 AM
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It's Obama's fault the GOP doesn't have a plan?
They do-

It's called Simpson-Bowles. Obama flatly rejects it.
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