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Old 12-02-2012, 10:40 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't think the Republicans understand exactly where the spending is coming from. Most older Americans voted for Romeny - yet will scream and yell if anyone dare touch their 'Medicare". I guess they really don't want THAT programe cut.

It's easier to just blame 'welfare' and single Mom's.
Not much of a split really


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Old 12-02-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Obama said he would compromise -- so he needs to indicate what he won't simply veto.
Obama offered compromises all last year. The Republicans told him to go pound sand in a fit of cynical political brinksmanship... that failed.

Now that he has won reelection it is up to the Republicans to move towards him this time, rather than the other way around. They had their great deal offered to them and they rejected it. That was really bad planning on their part. They will never get as good a deal as they were offered before, so it's time for them to cut whatever deal they can

Where is the Republican counter?
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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Do you not understand where the costs are coming from?

They are coming from Medicare and SS. THOSE are the programs that most worry everyone. They are the cuts that will be on the chopping block.

Yet ~ all old people want to talk about is welfare and unemployment.

It's your Medicare and the SS that you have been drawing that are the main drivers of cost.
That's exactly right and no one wants to be the one to offer them up for the chopping block.

The republicans made an offer a long time ago with that they were willing to do in the house with their budget proposal. You can see all 99 pages of what they wanted to do here:

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfile...perity2013.pdf

This is what they got in return:


Tim Geithner to Paul Ryan: "We don't have a definitive solution... We just don't like yours" - YouTube


Granny Off the Cliff - YouTube

It's all a big joke to everyone apparently.

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Old 12-02-2012, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Or ball-less Obama is afraid to put forth spending cuts he would agree to sign. Some leader.
What a whiner you are. Grow up.

Where is the Republican counter?
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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We have 83 means tested welfare programs costing near $1 trillion per year as of 2011.
I'm sure it's grown since then with reports of new record highs of people applying for these programs in 2012.

SS/medicare is not included in that.
And yet, a Republican majority is not standing up and demanding cuts to the welfare programs, that tick off the man on the street. Why is this?"
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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This is definitely where Romney would have been a better president, a better leader at a time leadership is needed. He wouldn't be as afraid to think up some spending cuts. Obama is proving himself to be very gutless.
You mean the Mitt Romney that is still licking his wounds in seclusion in La Jolla, and who has told the Republican party that they're on their own, he's done with them?

That Romney?


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Old 12-02-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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Obama offered compromises all last year. The Republicans told him to go pound sand in a fit of cynical political brinksmanship... that failed.

Now that he has won reelection it is up to the Republicans to move towards him this time, rather than the other way around. They had their great deal offered to them and they rejected it. That was really bad planning on their part. They will never get as good a deal as they were offered before, so it's time for them to cut whatever deal they can

Where is the Republican counter?
You're asking republicans to either agree to dissolve the country or else.

That's totally and completely disingenuous and deceitful.

Just because Obama and the democrats are completely ignoring reality doesn't mean that republicans should come to their side and start ignoring it with them.

Once again you folks are simply playing politics so that you can be at the helm when the country goes into complete financial ruin.

It's okay, it won't be you personally at the helm, it'll just be your kids, grand kids and great grand kids.

Hey, at least you'll get to say I won!
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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We have 83 means tested welfare programs costing near $1 trillion per year as of 2011.
So... where is the Republican plan to cut them, and what does it intend to cut?
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Which means it won't hurt the Republicans.
The American people have already called bullsh*t on that claim and told us exactly who they intend to blame if the negotiations fail.

Post-Pew poll: Fiscal cliff negotiations predicted to fail

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Should negotiations break down to avoid the $500 billion rash of automatic tax hikes and spending cuts, 53 percent are inclined to blame Republicans in Congress while 29 percent single out Obama.
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yes, but aren't we all in this together for the betterment of the country?
What does that have to do with negotiating positions? My god, but are there really so many people on this thread who have never negotiated for anything?

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So you are saying the President is only interested in doig things his way and not for the betterment of the country?
Don't be stupid.
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