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Old 12-02-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Don't be stupid. Nobody is asking any such thing. For god's sake man, come back down out of your frustrated addlepation and try arguing the reality rather than some foaming fantasy.

We have not been asking "where is the Republican surrender."

We have been asking where is the Republican counter?

And you are whirling like a dervish to defend a vacuum.
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GEITHNER: It is. And let me explain what is in the explain they didn't report to you and they didn't explain to people, which is, we propose alongside the trillion dollars in spending cuts we agreed with Republicans, last year, on defense and a comprehensive range of other government programs, we proposed $600 billion of detailed reforms and savings, to our health care and other government programs. That's $600 billion.
In fact, the health care savings in that plan are larger than the plans we have seen Republicans in the past in the context. Now --
WALLACE: Is that -- is that what was in the budget?
GEITHNER: Well, these proposals have been -- we proposed these things last fall and in the president's budget, they are very detailed. Now --
WALLACE: That was a budget voted down 99-to-nothing in the Senate.
GEITHNER: Well, Chris, you know, this is -- a lot of politics happen in this town, but this is very carefully designed set of reforms. And if Republicans would like to go beyond these reforms, or they want to do it differently, they should tell us how they want to do it.
Again, what we can't do is --
WALLACE: What if they were to propose the Republican budget that they passed? That they passed the last two years.
GEITHNER: There is no risk they're going to do that, Chris.
WALLACE: Well, wouldn't it be as serious as you proposed in your budget?
GEITHNER: No, but the American people have taken a long time to take a careful, hard look at the plan and they found no merit in it. So, the Republicans aren't going to propose it again.
WALLACE: Just like the Senate voted 99-to-nothing against your budget.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and House Speaker John Boehner talk 'fiscal cliff' negotiations - Interviews - Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace - Fox News

And I repeat with this link again:

Tim Geithner to Paul Ryan: "We don't have a definitive solution... We just don't like yours" - YouTube

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Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner: Mr. Chairman, as I said, we're not disagreeing in that sense. I made it absolutely clear that what our budget does is get our deficit down to a sustainable path over the budget window.

Congressman Paul Ryan: And then it takes off.

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner: Let's ask ourselves why they take off again. Why do they do that?

Congressman Paul Ryan: Because we have 10,000 people retiring everyday and healthcare costs going up.

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner: That's right. We have millions of Americans retiring everyday and that will drive substantial growth rates for healthcare costs. We're not becoming before you to say we have a definitive solution to our long-term problem. What we do know is that we don't like yours.
That's effectively a joke on the American people. What the president is proposing is still a joke where he simply shuffles money around and does nothing to fix anything fiscal.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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The Democrats control the White House, the Senate, and have a pro-Obama Supreme Court thus far in the first four years. The president won what he terms a "mandate",...so why is he asking for Republican input at all? Obama's not going to accept anthing short of WHAT HE DEMANDS anyway, and the democrats in congress has taken Medicare and Medicade cuts off the table. Now the democrats have added a demand that any agreements avoiding the fiscal cliff must include raising the debt ceiling.

Give the democrats an inch and the bastards will take a mile.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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The Democrats control the White House, the Senate, and have a pro-Obama Supreme Court thus far in the first four years. The president won what he terms a "mandate",...so why is he asking for Republican input at all? Obama's not going to accept anthing short of WHAT HE DEMANDS anyway, and the democrats in congress has taken Medicare and Medicade cuts off the table. Now the democrats have added a demand that any agreements avoiding the fiscal cliff must include raising the debt ceiling.

Give the democrats an inch and the bastards will take a mile.
No, they proposed the absurd notion that the Executive Branch of the government should have monetary power over the debt ceiling. They freaking proposed amending the U.S. constitution.

They Frankly (snickers) aren't serious at all. All they want is political points and power to hell with America and its constitution.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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The Democrats control the White House, the Senate, and have a pro-Obama Supreme Court thus far in the first four years. The president won what he terms a "mandate",...so why is he asking for Republican input at all? Obama's not going to accept anthing short of WHAT HE DEMANDS anyway, and the democrats in congress has taken Medicare and Medicade cuts off the table. Now the democrats have added a demand that any agreements avoiding the fiscal cliff must include raising the debt ceiling.

Give the democrats an inch and the bastards will take a mile.
To blame -- and no other reason. As usual this clown is only playing politics.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Or those who say that everything you worked for and work for belongs to the government for idiot politicans to spend however they please.

The democrats simply want no limits of any kind on spending -- they want unlimited ability to confiscate the wealth of this country.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What the president is proposing is still a joke where he simply shuffles money around and does nothing to fix anything fiscal.
So where's the Republican counter?
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The rich might not mind paying more taxes if it was part of a concerted effort to get deficits under control. It is not. It is simply an effort to change the starting point before the next deficit reduction negotiations.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The Democrats control the White House, the Senate, and have a pro-Obama Supreme Court thus far in the first four years.
That comment on the Supreme Court is the most idiotic assertion I've read on this forum in days.

Of course hopefully that will change over this next term.

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Originally Posted by sol11
The president won what he terms a "mandate",...so why is he asking for Republican input at all?
Perhaps if you read the Constitution for once you could figure that out..

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Obama's not going to accept anthing short of WHAT HE DEMANDS anyway, and the democrats in congress has taken Medicare and Medicade cuts off the table.
It's a negotiation. Nobody can take anything off the table unilaterally.

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Now the democrats have added a demand that any agreements avoiding the fiscal cliff must include raising the debt ceiling.
Non issue. The 14th Amendment pretty much establishes that the debt ceiling is nothing more than impotent political theater anyways.

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Give the democrats an inch and the bastards will take a mile.
Assumes facts not in evidence... such as Republicans actually giving an inch.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No, they proposed the absurd notion that the Executive Branch of the government should have monetary power over the debt ceiling. They freaking proposed amending the U.S. constitution.
Oh? Please, enlighten us on your understanding regarding what the Constitution has to say regarding the debt ceiling.

I can't wait to hear this.

(While you're at it, you might want to look up the difference between "monetary" and "fiscal." You appear to have no clue.)
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