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Old 12-03-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Well, again, he took a lot of heat for inserting himself into the debt ceiling negotiations. Apparently, that is NOT 'how it's done on the hill'. According to the Republicans and Bob Woodward who wrote The Price of Politics.

I know. Surprised me too.

Apparently, they all like their back room deals.
It's a sad state of affairs. How did our government evolve into this? It's nothing but political theater. I would not be surprised if a deal was already discussed and all this political posturing was just so both sides could play up to their respective base.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
Third term? Dictatorial powers?

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A nation of useful idiots? He's already got 61 million or so...
In 2008 he had 69M, and it cost him 1/2 as much to buy... I mean "get" their votes.

You have to look for the little bits of silver lining that remain.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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Well, again, he took a lot of heat for inserting himself into the debt ceiling negotiations. Apparently, that is NOT 'how it's done on the hill'. According to the Republicans and Bob Woodward who wrote The Price of Politics.

I know. Surprised me too.

Apparently, they all like their back room deals.
Bob Woodward also said Obama is the one who came up with sequestration. Now why would Obama throw that into the deal if he would later use it as a pivot point to get his own agenda and legacy passed?

That's the definition of putting national security at risk for your own political gain.

Bob Woodward sequester book could bolster GOP attack on W.H. - POLITICO.com

Okay, we'll that makes no sense about trying to preserve his political legacy. That can only mean he's all about gaining more power here and now. We've seen and have empirical evidence of what those types of leaders do. In fact we have more examples of those types of leaders than we do of any other types. History is littered with them...
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Basically they are playing a game of chicken to see who caves first.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:37 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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It's a sad state of affairs. How did our government evolve into this? It's nothing but political theater. I would not be surprised if a deal was already discussed and all this political posturing was just so both sides could play up to their respective base.
GW - you could very well be right.

Everyone playing games for re-election.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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This is the Republican position as of today:

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Yet Republicans, led by Boehner, have objected to any increase in tax rates, even for the wealthiest Americans. They have said an agreement must include major reforms of entitlement programs such as the Medicare and Medicaid government-run health-care programs for senior citizens, the disabled and the poor.
House GOP offers plan to avoid fiscal cliff, but White House says no - CNN.com

Didn't the GOP ticket run against the cuts Obama made to Medicare? Now that the election is over, the GOP wants to make even more cuts to Medicare. I guess they do want to throw granny over the cliff!
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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This is the Republican position as of today:


House GOP offers plan to avoid fiscal cliff, but White House says no - CNN.com

Didn't the GOP ticket run against the cuts Obama made to Medicare? Now that the election is over, the GOP wants to make even more cuts to Medicare. I guess they do want to throw granny over the cliff!
Didn't Obama want $800 billion before the election and now wants TWICE that amount? It's difficult to hit a moving target, and Obama seems to be moving the goalposts at will. (See,...two can play that game.)

The White House summarily dismissed the House proposal. Wasn't hard to figure that one out. The White House and Obama have been telegraphing that move for weeks.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Didn't Obama want $800 billion before the election and now wants TWICE that amount? It's difficult to hit a moving target, and Obama seems to be moving the goalposts at will. (See,...two can play that game.)

The White House summarily dismissed the House proposal. Wasn't hard to figure that one out. The White House and Obama have been telegraphing that move for weeks.
Obama ran for reelection on this proposal. Obama was reelected. The will of the people has been heard.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:47 AM
 
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Obama ran for reelection on this proposal. Obama was reelected. The will of the people has been heard.
No,...Obama ran on a proposal HALF of what he now is wanting. Why not just triple or quadruple the amount he campaigned for before the election?

By your way of think,...Obama won,...so he can do what he damned well pleases, up to and including violating the Constitution. After all,...he was "reelected".

You people are scary.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
Third term? Dictatorial powers?



In 2008 he had 69M, and it cost him 1/2 as much to buy... I mean "get" their votes.

You have to look for the little bits of silver lining that remain.
And republicanism couldn't muster enough votes. Enough said.
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