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Old 11-30-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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I'm guessing the spending cuts will be a midnight hour kind of thing buried in the details. No one on either side wants their constituents to know who gave them the shaft. The GOP has their hands full with their side of the bargain.
The fiscal cliff deal should be a wish list of GOP objectives and Democratic objectiveness. Basically spending cuts, tax increases, and reforms across the board. Just pass the thing with a voice vote and call it good. The more I think about it, I just want some type of deal to get done. Just govern the damn country. That goes for both sides of the aisle.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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Anyway, I'm still not sure where the GOP spending cuts are going to come from?
Well why wouldn't you know what those cuts are?

Well, because those deals are going on behind closed doors and they involved the president and the speaker of the house.

You know, transparency and all that...
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'm guessing the spending cuts will be a midnight hour kind of thing buried in the details. No one on either side wants their constituents to know who gave them the shaft. The GOP has their hands full with their side of the bargain.
You have to realize the Republican conundrum. If we go over the cliff, the cuts will be largely to their constituencies (i.e. defense spending). They have a desperate political need to prevent that.

Obama's leverage here is much stronger than people fully realize. The right will lose more without a deal than with one. The left will come closer to breaking even either way.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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I'm guessing the spending cuts will be a midnight hour kind of thing buried in the details. No one on either side wants their constituents to know who gave them the shaft. The GOP has their hands full with their side of the bargain.

A midnight deal on Christmas like the debt ceiling debacle.

You'll find out from the "most transparent administration in history" on Christmas day while you dine with relatives.

You can talk about how you'll position yourselves regarding massive tax increases and major spending cuts.

Maybe your elderly will talk about the times of days past where they walked up a hill in the snow with no shoes and how your generation x-box and y-work are completely and utterly incompetent in things policy.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Republicans have little to no power,but are supposed to be the adults in the room. Meanwhile,the potus is getting ready for a 20 day Hawaiian getaway.
Back when, Bush inherited a nice suplus and left office, 8 years later with a record deficit. When this topic
comes up in this forum, so many are quick to point out that it was not Bush's fault. It's that #$%^%^& Democratic controlled Congress.

Now the tables have turned, and the same ole, same ole blame the Democrats.

Obama put forth his plan. The outcomes are negotiated. The ball is in the Republican court.

Neither party wants to take ownership and put specific cuts on the table.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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You have to realize the Republican conundrum. If we go over the cliff, the cuts will be largely to their constituencies (i.e. defense spending). They have a desperate political need to prevent that.

Obama's leverage here is much stronger than people fully realize. The right will lose more without a deal than with one. The left will come closer to breaking even either way.
This is the very essence of things wrong is this country.

You see, this person is willing to throw everything out the window for a political gain.

Politics first, my benefits second, and the country last.

Your party of Kennedy is long gone and the new country asks not what you can do for your country but what it can do for you.

These people are despicable and if you don't admonish them from your party you'll have the target on your house fro m the 2+ guns per household crowd.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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A midnight deal on Christmas like the debt ceiling debacle.

You'll find out from the "most transparent administration in history" on Christmas day while you dine with relatives.
Also possible it will be deferred to January and any action will be retroactive.


In any event, what happens in Congress stay in Congress which has not been transparent for decades. Committees meet in the wee hours of the morning and make the important deals you are never going to see on Cspan. They do so because the American people allow them to do so.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'm guessing the spending cuts will be a midnight hour kind of thing buried in the details. No one on either side wants their constituents to know who gave them the shaft. The GOP has their hands full with their side of the bargain.
I think you nailed it.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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Back when, Bush inherited a nice suplus and left office, 8 years later with a record deficit. When this topic
comes up in this forum, so many are quick to point out that it was not Bush's fault. It's that #$%^%^& Democratic controlled Congress.

Now the tables have turned, and the same ole, same ole blame the Democrats.

Obama put forth his plan. The outcomes are negotiated. The ball is in the Republican court.

Neither party wants to take ownership and put specific cuts on the table.
The surplus was a myth.

It was based on a false assumption, again, that tech stocks would continue to rise for forever.

People who understand what went on understood that that was a myth, that using SS funds to claim some sort of on-budget surplus was a myth and that the loss of $6 trillion in wealth would result in an economic downturn. They moved to something more stable, housing.

You think things were glorious during the Clinton administration? Well then you'll need to explain why they changed how UE rate was calculated.

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Old 11-30-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Obama is going on vacation for six months?
Presidents never get a day off, regardless of where they are.

Bush took more "work at the ranch" days than any president, yet some are fixated when Obama plays golf or spend time in Hawaii.
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