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Old 12-04-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Since the military budget covers pay to our men so yes they are government employees. I am unclear on what you mean should they count as government employees.Do you mean they should count in the UE rate or not? Since they are employed i do not think they should count in UE rate anymore then a senator or president should count in the UE rate
1-No, they are not counted as government employees.
2-If they were counted, you'd have 1.4 million more employees added to the public sector payroll, and as many added to labor force (which is currently civilian). And yes, that will reduce unemployment rate too, because they are employed as you say? (But not currently counted)
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Because they all think we can live "hunky-dory" in utopia without it, "talk" to terrorists, take guns out of the hands of everyday people and basically think everything will be better that way. They don't grasp the fact of real, dangerous, legitimate threats in the world.
Indeed, I do believe in what you meant as an accusation. Take any of those supposed enemies and analyze why they are considered enemies in the first place...
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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1-No, they are not counted as government employees.
2-If they were counted, you'd have 1.4 million more employees added to the public sector payroll, and as many added to labor force (which is currently civilian). And yes, that will reduce unemployment rate too, because they are employed as you say? (But not currently counted)
So they are counted as UE in calcualting the UE rate? Or are they not calcuated at all?
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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Funny OP - liberals "hate" the military, eh? Considering how many republicans refused to serve this country, that's hilarious.


Democrats:
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII. John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts. Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star, Vietnam. Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953. Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal. Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 Chuck Robb: Vietnam Howell Heflin: Silver Star George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII. Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general. John Dingell: WWII vet John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea. I'll add Tammy Duckworth to this list as well.

Republicans:
Dennis Hastert: did not serve. Tom Delay: did not serve. House Whip Roy Blunt: did not serve. Bill Frist: did not serve. Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. George Pataki: did not serve. Mitch McConnell: did not serve. Rick Santorum: did not serve. Trent Lott: did not serve. Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. John ********: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. Jeb Bush: did not serve. Karl Rove: did not serve. Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism. Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. Vin Weber: did not serve. Richard Perle: did not serve. Douglas Feith: did not serve. Eliot Abrams: did not serve. Richard Shelby: did not serve. Jon Kyl: did not serve. Tim Hutchison: did not serve. Christopher Cox: did not serve. Newt Gingrich: did not serve. Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor. George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete). Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII Phil Gramm: did not serve. John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.

I don't care what their politics are. I appreciate every single, solitary person who has ever put on a uniform to defend this country.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So they are counted as UE in calcualting the UE rate? Or are they not calcuated at all?
They aren't. The question is, should we? (they were counted for couple of years under Reagan's first term).
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default Liberal hate the military?

Maybe liberals hate the current military because we served in the other one.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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John Kerry was talking about Bush, not the troops. Only an idiot would think he or anybody would say something like that about the troops while running for President
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:24 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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A better question is why does the military hate the liberals? The military seem to vote GOP a lot more.

(the real answer probably goes back to the Vietnam/1960s cultural change. Before then the Liberals...as in FDR, Truman, and Kennedy....were big supporters of the military, and it was the GOP that was for a small military and even--as in Ohio senator Taft---isolationist).
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:26 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Travel to the northwest part of the country like San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, Seattle, and Portland for example. Or you could travel to your local university. Some university professors have gone off on a horrible rant about the military.
snopes.com: Cadet of Gratitude
Read his letter and decide if it is hate of the military.
Teachers Harassing Soldiers' Children - Winds of Change.NET
This happened back in 2003 just before our invasion of Iraq
CNN.com - Professor calls for 'million more Mogadishus' - Mar. 28, 2003
Here's one that was pretty famous out of Columbia University. Oh, and he's still among their faculty.
Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge - seattlepi.com
Here's a quote from the above link
"Walking the parade route with his mom, younger siblings and politically conservative friends, Jason heard words from the crowd that felt like a thousand daggers to the heart.
"Baby killer!"
"Murderer!"
"Boooo!"


Read more: Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge - seattlepi.com "
I live in Texas; those weirdos on the West Coast don't define me.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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If you do not know the difference between military pay and welfare then it is easy to see your confusion
Are you responding to me? Have something to say? I can't hear you, talk louder.
Oh I see, you are confused, you really meant to post a reply to someone else.
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