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View Poll Results: Should the Feds legalize marijuana?
Yes - make it legal in all 50 states 77 70.00%
Yes, but only for medical purposes 4 3.64%
Abolish Fed restrictions, regulate by state 20 18.18%
Legalize by state and count on Feds to look other way 1 0.91%
No. Marijuana is a gateway drug. 8 7.27%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-02-2012, 06:13 AM
 
Location: On the border of off the grid
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I did some rough calculations recently:
Total Population 300,000,000
Under age - 100,000,000
Potential users = 200,000,000
Estimated Preference Rate @ 60% = Inclined to some degree of use = 120,000,000

Assumption: Of these inclined to use adults, even the regular users, they still aren't
likely to consume more than one ounce of decent quality per year.
(some will use more but most will probably use less)

120,000,000 ounces /16 = 75,000 pounds (clean bud)

A comparable legal crop is beer hops:
The USDA reports 187 pounds per acre yield and a market price at $2.75 per pound.
75,000lbs x $2.75 = $206,250 and 75,000lbs /187 = 401 acres under plow

The entire US consumption could be grown on Kona Hawaii...
and still not need to cost more than $6.00 per POUND wholesale.
That comes out to a whopping 38cents for the ounce most would smoke.

Even with the shipping and handling and minimal packaging (coffee tins?)...
and allowing some margin for the growers, shippers and retailers of course...
we're still talking about a market shelf price of under $5 for that ounce of Kona.

I could live with that.
I like your calculations. However, I think your estimate of one ounce per year is a gross underestimate. Half an ounce will yield approximately 30 joints (so 1 a day or 5-6 per weekend). Math is not my forte, would you consider recalculating based on 6-10 ounces a year?
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:13 AM
 
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I believe that the war on drugs should be ended and marijuana should be decriminalized.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:21 AM
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So, how do you feel about medical marijuana? And if you're okay with that, what's the difference if somebody is using it for medical or recreational purposes?



And I've found that marijuana ALONE relieves my medical issues, which is actually a much safer medication than alcohol & xanax. Who died and made you the decider of what medication is "okay" versus "not needed?" Thankfully I live in a state where they realize its benefits, so I don't need your approval to get it legally.
That's a question the medical community has to answer. I'd be all for isolating the components that have medicinal purposes and marketing them. I question why someone isn't already doing that. That makes me think this is really an excuse to use a recreational drug vs. true medicinal purposes. If there really are compounds in marijuana that have medicinal purposes, why isn't someone trying to capitalize on that? The fact they aren't is a big red flag here. Using the whole plant exposes you to more than just the compounds that help. It would be like me using willow bark instead of aspirin. Quite likely, it does more harm than good. We know that long term marijuana use is not good for the brain. Is that risk worth the gain? Only a doctor can answer that. You can't. Quite likely you just enjoy the high.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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Actually, it's the LEGAL drugs - i.e. alcohol, xanax, oxycontin, etc - that typically kill people. There has NEVER, and I repeat NEVER been a death directly attributed to marijuana use. So here's a novel concept, don't drink alcohol or use your beloved xanax, and nobody dies!

Btw, marijuana is already legal for me.



Good, I hope they are all legalized eventually... let adults choose what to put in their bodies, and worry about your own life. Until they get behind the wheel or otherwise impede upon our lives, I really couldn't care less what people choose to do.
It's not legal for you according to the Feds and Federal law overrides State law. Now you and I have been on totally opposite sides of many political arguments, but on this issue we can totally agree. Isn't it incumbent upon Democrats to have marijuana declassified as a Class 1 drug at the Federal level?
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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However, I don't get the point. WHY do we need drugs to be legal at all? What are they good for? They negatively impact your ability to reason and if you use them enough, you get long term impact in your ability to think. WHY do we need to legalize drugs?
The answers have already been given, but you don't seem to be listening. I'll summarize:

1. If we're going to outlaw everything "unnecessary" (in one person's mind), why do we need donuts and fast food? Those have no benefit either, and potentially harmful side-effects - right? The answer is that, as adults, we should be free to make those decisions for ourselves.

2. It would reduce the "black market," and much of the crime associated with it.

3. It would bring in a GREAT deal of revenue to the state/country; from the actual taxes collected, to the savings in court fees & imprisonment. Not to mention, it would free up the jails for real criminals.

4. The government would be allowed to regulate the product, hopefully ensuring it meets a certain standard of quality.

5. What am I forgetting?

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If you want to take the attitude that people will do it anyway so it should be legal you'd need to legalize murder, robbery, gang warfare, and everything else people do anyway in spite of it being illegal.
Irrelevant analogies... those actions directly and indisputably harm an innocent victim. Oh, but you probably would see a drop in some of those crimes if you legalized!

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If you don't think drugs impact people other than the drug user, think again. The families I know who have kids who use marijuana (which lead to other drugs) are struggling with those kids as adults. They're not working, they're stealing from relatives, half the time they couch surf because they don't have a home....their lives are a mess. So tell me how great this stuff is... I have a step son who is a user. He's 43 and his life is still a mess. Fortunately, he's several states away but we had to tell him that if he was only going to call when he needed money to quit calling. He quit calling. I haven't heard from him in years. Family members (who he hits up for money) tell us what's going on. Marriage number 3 failed and he lost custody of his son. Yes, drug use is really great....let's legalize it!!!!
This doesn't sound like marijuana, it sounds like you're speaking of users of much harder drugs - and/or people who don't understand the concept of moderation. I've been a pot smoker for some 20 years now, and fit none of your silly stereotypes... I have a Master's Degree, a full-time professional job, my own place, and haven't lived with my parents in 18+ years. And I'm hardly an anomaly, considering a good percentage of other self-sufficient & responsible professionals I know also smoke pot. Among my fellow potheads I include a few lawyers, medical professionals, teachers, financial workers, IT specialists, athletes, and many more. Just because you have a few friends with loser children, that doesn't mean all pot smokers are like them.

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I'll disagree on being able to get drugs if you want them. I have no idea where to get them besides the pharmacy. Only those who run with drug users know where to get them. I can't say I've ever known where to get them since high school. In high school, I would have known who to ask. I would have asked the idiots who were using them. As an adult, I don't know any users other than my ss and he's not speaking to us because we wouldn't give him money last time he called.
Luckily I don't have to go to street dealers anymore, since my state is on the right track... but back in the day, I could get it simply by walking down Haight or Mission Street (in San Francisco). Maybe it depends on where you live, but in most urban areas it's as easy as finding alcohol - perhaps even easier, since street dealers don't ask for ID. Speaking of which, that's another good reason to legalize and regulate! I get my "medication" from the legal cannabis clubs now, and they do ask for ID (18+ only allowed) before you can enter.

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I really don't get the desire to have a drug take control of you. Life is hard enough with a clear head.
Marijuana only "takes control" of those who allow it do so. The rest of us can use in moderation, only when our day is done (like that nightcap you used to partake in), and still otherwise live a completely normal & productive life. As RoadKing said above, you probably know more smokers than you think, since for the most part we're just like anyone else.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:21 AM
 
Location: NY & Fl
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People all around you probably use and you just don't know it (see below) because they are normal productive citizens. You think every user is a drug addict, but that's only true in the movies.

I know a lot of very successful business executives and lawyers, etc who smoke pot. You would never know it because they smoke responsibly. They are not the druggies you see in the movies.

"The Netherlands, with its permissive marijuana laws, may be known as the cannabis capital of the world. But a survey published this month in PLoS Medicine, a journal of the Public Library of Science, suggests that the Dutch don't actually experiment with pot as much as one would expect. Despite tougher drug policies in the U.S., Americans were twice as likely to have tried marijuana than the Dutch, according to the survey."


"Researchers found that 42% of people surveyed in the U.S. had tried marijuana at least once,..."

Read more: An American Pastime: Smoking Pot - TIME

The more the subject is talked about the more people I have found that not only use but have been doing so for a looooong time.Many in my age group (senior citizens) and most certainly in all levels of society and all professions (including LE)
Sometimes I feel like I am the odd one out!
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:25 AM
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The more the subject is talked about the more people I have found that not only use but have been doing so for a looooong time.Many in my age group (senior citizens) and most certainly in all levels of society and all professions (including LE)
Sometimes I feel like I am the odd one out!
You're not. I've never used. My dh did back in the 60's but hasn't since I've known him.

All I need to do is look at what happened to the people I knew who used when I was in high school to realize this is not good. Most of them are losers in life. They sold their future for a high. Yes there are people who do the same thing with alcohol but one legal substance people ruin their lives with is enough.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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Speaking of loser potheads, here's a collage of "influential stoners" (some aren't what I'd call regular smokers, but have admitted to partaking). Ivorytickler, have you achieved this kind of success?

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Old 12-02-2012, 06:27 AM
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Speaking of loser potheads, here's a collage of "influential stoners" (some aren't what I'd call regular smokers, but have admitted to partaking). Ivorytickler, have you achieved this kind of success?
Have you?

The fact some succeed in spite of drug use does not mean that drug use is good. (Only an idiot would make try to make that argument...are the drugs, perhaps getting to your brain?) You need to look at what happens to the average drug user and compare them to the average non user. If you do, you will see that drug use is not a good thing.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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It's not legal for you according to the Feds and Federal law overrides State law.
Doesn't really matter, since all of the local law enforcement here follows state law (at least for individual users). I've tested the theory, and they definitely don't care about federal regulations.

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Now you and I have been on totally opposite sides of many political arguments, but on this issue we can totally agree. Isn't it incumbent upon Democrats to have marijuana declassified as a Class 1 drug at the Federal level?
I have no idea (esp since I'm not a Democrat)... but as a personal opinion, I sure hope it is declassified federally in the near future!
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