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Old 12-07-2012, 03:42 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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The sun causes global warming every 15,000 years?



As the Sun creates more helium at its core, the Sun burns a little more hydrogen. This causes the output of the Sun to go up. You won’t notice it now, but in about a billion years, the output from the Sun will have increased by 10%.
A more luminous Sun is bad news for Earth.
In 1.1 billion years from now, the Sun will be 10% brighter than it is today. This extra energy will cause a moist greenhouse effect in the beginning, similar to the runaway warming on Venus. But then the Earth’s atmosphere will dry out as the water vapor is lost to space, never to return.


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Old 12-07-2012, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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As the Sun creates more helium at its core, the Sun burns a little more hydrogen. This causes the output of the Sun to go up. You won’t notice it now, but in about a billion years, the output from the Sun will have increased by 10%.
A more luminous Sun is bad news for Earth.
In 1.1 billion years from now, the Sun will be 10% brighter than it is today. This extra energy will cause a moist greenhouse effect in the beginning, similar to the runaway warming on Venus. But then the Earth’s atmosphere will dry out as the water vapor is lost to space, never to return.


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I don't doubt the science but the contention was that we had a warming trend every 15K years in the past and that is the reason for the current warming, what scientific event makes global warming cyclic.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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Default Read em and weep deniers

The Most Devastatingly Convincing Pie Chart You've Ever Seen

No question in the scientific community: humans are causing global warming.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The Most Devastatingly Convincing Pie Chart You've Ever Seen

No question in the scientific community: humans are causing global warming.
What is the earth's optimal human population and lifestyle?
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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The Most Devastatingly Convincing Pie Chart You've Ever Seen

No question in the scientific community: humans are causing global warming.

Exactly where in this link does it say that man is causing climate change? All I see is a small segment that denies the climate is changing.

I think virtually eveyone that has at least 6 brain cells linked together knows the climate is changing. Add a few more brain-cell links and you might realize that the climate is always changing. What most on here are debating is whether man has the
1) power to alter this change,
2) the ability to get it back to whatever normal levels are, and
3) keeping that way for the entire existence of man by
a) stopping the sun's cycles,
b) halting crustal movement,
c) keeping the magma in the mantle stable
d) controlling the population of every bloody organism on the face of the planet... forever.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Exactly where in this link does it say that man is causing climate change? All I see is a small segment that denies the climate is changing.

I think virtually eveyone that has at least 6 brain cells linked together knows the climate is changing. Add a few more brain-cell links and you might realize that the climate is always changing. What most on here are debating is whether man has the
1) power to alter this change,
2) the ability to get it back to whatever normal levels are, and
3) keeping that way for the entire existence of man by
a) stopping the sun's cycles,
b) halting crustal movement,
c) keeping the magma in the mantle stable
d) controlling the population of every bloody organism on the face of the planet... forever.
I've yet to meet a liberal who didn't think that with enough control and taxes that there was anything they couldn't fix.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:02 PM
 
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Exactly where in this link does it say that man is causing climate change? All I see is a small segment that denies the climate is changing.

I think virtually eveyone that has at least 6 brain cells linked together knows the climate is changing. Add a few more brain-cell links and you might realize that the climate is always changing. What most on here are debating is whether man has the
1) power to alter this change,
2) the ability to get it back to whatever normal levels are, and
3) keeping that way for the entire existence of man by
a) stopping the sun's cycles,
b) halting crustal movement,
c) keeping the magma in the mantle stable
d) controlling the population of every bloody organism on the face of the planet... forever.
You can't read very well, can you? The scientific studies were all related to human caused climate change. Hello, McFly? Anybody in there?
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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You can't read very well, can you? The scientific studies were all related to human caused climate change. Hello, McFly? Anybody in there?
Here is what I saw at the top of the article:

Since 1991, there have been 13,950 peer-reviewed articles on human-caused global warming. Only 24 rejected it. That's 0.17% for those of you keeping score.

The pie chart doesn't read this way, though, now does it. It doesn't mention 'human-caused' so it's a little misleading. So I'll give you that one, smarta$$.

Now how about addressing the rest of my post... or do you not have a convenient pie chart to counter it?
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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the sun, nothing man could ever do is as powerful as the sun.

What man does is pretty powerful in contributing to pollute this planet and therefore will help in it's demise. Is it arrogance of some that you don't see this. Blame the sun all you want but don't you think the billions of people on this planet and all their pollution have something to do with how this planet is reacting. You are so naive if you don't. We owe it to our children and their children to take care of where we live.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:30 AM
 
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What man does is pretty powerful in contributing to pollute this planet and therefore will help in it's demise. Is it arrogance of some that you don't see this. Blame the sun all you want but don't you think the billions of people on this planet and all their pollution have something to do with how this planet is reacting. You are so naive if you don't. We owe it to our children and their children to take care of where we live.

yes i understand that man has something to do with it. but also, if you cant get the whole planet to agree on measures to do something, then i think only limiting some countries is worse than doing nothing at all.

why should the US economy suffer if china does not want to do anything about GW?
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