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Old 12-04-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Please explain why Mexicans are here in the largest number both legally and illegally?
Could it be related to the fact that we have a border with them
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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And, I have posted a Judiciary report disputing those numbers. In fact, by his own admission, Obama's "record" deportations were skewed. They included those apprehended at the border. They never had a chance to live in this country. How on earth are our numbers declining when we have essentially the same number living here as ten years ago? Not to mention, those "record" deportations included illegals deported numerous time, and each deportation was treated as a separate case. If one illegal alien is deported 10 times, we don't have 10 less illegal aliens, do we?
Are you disputing numbers in the 80's and 90's, or all the way back to 1925?...
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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And, I have posted a Judiciary report disputing those numbers. In fact, by his own admission, Obama's "record" deportations were skewed. They included those apprehended at the border. They never had a chance to live in this country. How on earth are our numbers declining when we have essentially the same number living here as ten years ago? Not to mention, those "record" deportations included illegals deported numerous time, and each deportation was treated as a separate case. If one illegal alien is deported 10 times, we don't have 10 less illegal aliens, do we?
A deportation is a deportation. They have always counted every deportation in the deportation statistics.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:04 PM
 
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One thesis of the antis is always that the Mexicans come here and immediately start dropping babies for US welfare. So how could the birth rate be going down sharply if these gals are all out to get on welfare through their children?

Could it perhaps be that they actually are not coming for the welfare? But rather for work? And now that work is scarce they are not coming or going back to Mexico?

Does not fit the anti Hispanic rhetoric though so they probably won't like the thought.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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I'm providing quotes linked back to her statements, how can I "twist" a direct quotation?...
It is taken out of context and the meaning is being spun to fit your agenda, that's how. You have an odd way of nit picking the remarks of those who don't agree with you. One wrong word (and usually not intentional) you're on them like fleas on a dog to spin what they mean to make it appear like they are lying. You're like a cat waiting to pounce on a mouse. It's an obsession of yours.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The border patrol agents prevent border crossings, not to hunt down the ones who are already here (although they do deport people as well). The job of hunting down the ones already in the country is done by INS and other agencies. It has already been shown here that at this time the net immigration growth is at zero, or even at a decline. Like it or no, but the increase in border patrol agents and the expansion of the fence has helped reduce the number of immigrants coming it.

Are you saying you are not happy with 73% increase in Border Patrol Agents?
It wouldn't make a difference if we had 10 million guarding our borders if their hands are tied. Without a doubt, illegals are entering this country at this very moment. Their president-elect didn't visit the White House last week to discuss "comprehensive immigration reform" for his health. He came to ensure those here will remain, and those entering will be greeted with a welcome mat.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:08 PM
 
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One thesis of the antis is always that the Mexicans come here and immediately start dropping babies for US welfare. So how could the birth rate be going down sharply if these gals are all out to get on welfare through their children?

Could it perhaps be that they actually are not coming for the welfare? But rather for work? And now that work is scarce they are not coming or going back to Mexico?

Does not fit the anti Hispanic rhetoric though so they probably won't like the thought.
I don't know of any antis that have claimed that they immediately start dropping babies. Exaggerate much? The fact remains that some of them do and that some of them do come for the welfare. Some come for work also (and that is against the law!)

Oh here comes the race card just like clockwork. So to be opposed to illegal immigration is to be anti-Hispanic?
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It is taken out of context and the meaning is being spun to fit your agenda, that's how. You have an odd way of nit picking the remarks of those who don't agree with you. One wrong word (and usually not intentional) you're on them like fleas on a dog to spin what they mean to make it appear like they are lying. You're like a cat waiting to pounce on a mouse. It's an obsession of yours.
You're wasting your time. IBM is on a mission.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Please explain why Mexicans are here in the largest number both legally and illegally? Since we have annual quotas if Mexicans are getting the biggest share that means that other nationalites are getting smaller shares. I know that many of them are able to come here because of other family that is already here. That needs to be reduced or stopped to maintain diversity.
We've gone over this time and time again. Nationalities (separated by regions) are not linked in their quotas. Close to two-thirds of legal immigration is not constrained by quota-based visas.

It could be argued that a Nigerian has access to a higher quota of visas than a Mexican does...
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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One thesis of the antis is always that the Mexicans come here and immediately start dropping babies for US welfare. So how could the birth rate be going down sharply if these gals are all out to get on welfare through their children?

Could it perhaps be that they actually are not coming for the welfare? But rather for work? And now that work is scarce they are not coming or going back to Mexico?

Does not fit the anti Hispanic rhetoric though so they probably won't like the thought.
Every group had a decline. Are you suggesting that means all are now working? None are collecting welfare?

Anti-Hispanic? You are so barking up the wrong tree. I was married to a Hispanic, and gave birth to a son, whom I love more than life.
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