Second-grade teacher charges good-behavior ‘bucks’ for bathroom breaks; empty-pocketed boy wets pants (financial, prison)
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The bathroom was in the classroom, her response was well if I let one use it when they want to they will all want to use it. I asked her if she needed me to come and sit in the classroom so I could open and close the bathroom door since, it was so hard for her to allow the children to do it themselves.
I hope you discussed this with her principal. If she were one of my teachers she would be on a work improvement plan as soon as I could get it written up.
Sure am. Let me guess, you have never tried to manage a group of 25-30 seven and eight year-olds for an extended period of time. They aren't unacceptable policies, they are nothing new either, because there are valid reasons for them, including the child's safety. Unless you manage to convince school systems to build those bathrooms or hire aides to escort them back and forth, those policies are here to stay. The children's safety must come first, effective instruction is the primary purpose of school so that is the second priority, and only then should other things be considered when making policies.
It's irrelevant whether parents manage a group of 25-30 seven and eight year old children -- that's your job and that's what you're paid to do with tax dollars. And it doesn't take a person to have managed a group of 25-30 seven and eight year old children to recognize incompetence, idiocy, and inanity when it is encountered; Such a suggestion otherwise is fallacious.
Your continued insistence on giving this inept "educator" a free pass for her vacuous actions just reinforces the notion that it's much better to place one's kids in private school so that they're not subjected to the incompetent tripe that infests public schools.
Given your location, I would be shocked if you're not on the payroll of Fairfax or Arlington; Lots of empty-headed bozos ravage those two systems.
Your continued insistence on giving this inept "educator" a free pass for her vacuous actions just reinforces the notion that it's much better to place one's kids in private school so that they're not subjected to the incompetent tripe that infests public schools.
I'm not giving her a free pass. I would be absolutely shocked if her contract was renewed at the end of last year, meaning she was fired, and it will be virtually impossible for her to get a job in public schools again for some time. First year teachers have zero job protection. The system has probably already taken care of her. What I have responded to is the over-the-top accusations of abuse, cruelty, and power lording that have been accompanied by calls for her to be in jail or prison or somehow deserving of physical assault. What this woman did was make a mistake, she is not some monstrous being that needs to be chased through the streets with pitchforks and torches. Again, these are long standing policies that have been practiced long before I went to school and they have withstood the test of time and oodles of school reform for a reason.
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Originally Posted by MattOTAlex
Given your location, I would be shocked if you're not on the payroll of Fairfax or Arlington; Lots of empty-headed bozos ravage those two systems.
And yet one of them is considered in the top 10 school districts of the nation and has the second highest rated high school in the entire nation, which includes private schools in the list. The other district is also highly rated, just not quite as lofty as the other.
It's irrelevant whether parents manage a group of 25-30 seven and eight year old children -- that's your job and that's what you're paid to do with tax dollars. And it doesn't take a person to have managed a group of 25-30 seven and eight year old children to recognize incompetence, idiocy, and inanity when it is encountered; Such a suggestion otherwise is fallacious.
Decisions and actions that are reasonable, even desirable, when dealing with one or two children are not always reasonable, let alone desirable, when dealing with a group. I encourage you to volunteer full-time for a week in a second grade class and then we can have a reasonable discussion about this.
I've read this whole blasted thread and several versions of the story from different news sources.
That is a technique quite a few books and manuals on classroom discipline recommend. Personally, I think it is beyond silly and just thinking about it makes me roll my eyes so hard they about fall out, but this was not this "arrogant ******'s" original ideal, including naming the money after herself. You would be amazed how many teachers, especially elementary level, use this technique. The kids are supposed to use any extras they have for rewards. And, yes, some books recommend using them to control bathroom usage. Look, I agree it's stupid, but I am sure she either read about it somewhere or another teacher recommended the system to her. And yes, she could have tweaked it so it didn't include the bathroom. I agree that she made a poor choice, but making poor choices does not mean someone is evil.
By second grade, developmentally, most kid can have all their restroom needs met by having three regularly scheduled bathroom breaks. You'll have a few outliers, and some with occasional tummy problems, but it usually works.
I know and that is awful. However, his mother creating all this publicity isn't going to help people forget it happened.
Oh, please. She was a first year teacher who made a mistake. She wasn't trying to hurt that child, she was trying to manage her classroom. Don't worry, she will be fired, the school will have no choice but to not renew her contract.
First of all, no one involved in this matter will ever forget this happened anyway. What is now essential to this young man's emotional well-being is that he not feel responsible for his teacher's abuse. Being made to feel so powerless that he couldn't even take a **** break when he needed to is bad enough. Being humiliated by being forced to **** his pants in public is even worse, but what would be the absolute worst possible outcome would be for this child to come away blaming himself for what took place. Making excuses for the teacher won't make this child feel OK about what happened, but publically holding this pig who calls herself a teacher accountable and assigning the shame and blame associated with this incident to the correct party will help.
First of all, no one involved in this matter will ever forget this happened anyway. What is now essential to this young man's emotional well-being is that he not feel responsible for his teacher's abuse. Being made to feel so powerless that he couldn't even take a **** break when he needed to is bad enough. Being humiliated by being forced to **** his pants in public is even worse, but what would be the absolute worst possible outcome would be for this child to come away blaming himself for what took place. Making excuses for the teacher won't make this child feel OK about what happened, but publically holding this pig who calls herself a teacher accountable and assigning the shame and blame associated with this incident to the correct party will help.
Not a single thing more can be done to the teacher than what has already happened. Her contract was not renewed. The mother said she wanted the practice of charging kids money to use the bathroom stopped and it has been, as it should have. End of story. I suppose the mother can try to sue but the schools system did exactly what it was supposed to, it rectified the problem as soon as they were made aware of it, therefore there will be no money coming from there. So the only person she can sue is an unemployed 20-something year-old who has no hopes of getting further employment in her field and probably has non-dischargeable student loans to pay, to boot. This all means that the legal fees would far exceed any judgment she got. You can't get blood from a turnip. Happy?
The bathroom was in the classroom, her response was well if I let one use it when they want to they will all want to use it. I asked her if she needed me to come and sit in the classroom so I could open and close the bathroom door since, it was so hard for her to allow the children to do it themselves.
My bet is that she took it as her private bathroom......
Yes, people do...only it's the little guy that's paying the price for it, and that isn't right.
Make no mistake, the now former new teacher is too. My understanding from a friend in tbe area is that her contract was not renewed. It is very unlikely she will be able to get a job in public education for years to come, if ever. She is a 20-something year old who probably feels her life is destroyed. Chances are she is depressed and facing financial instability. She will not recover from this anytime soon. Satisfied?
I think the teacher should have to earn point to take her (breaks) from a jail cell this is just so not right I would remove my children from that school and sue!!!
He should have whipped it out and pissed in her trash can. "Hey teacher I don't have to go anymore"
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