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Old 12-05-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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It probably never occurred to you that the reason we fight so hard for this country is because we recognize how unique and special the US is compared to most countries.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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What's notable is that every example of a socialist paradise is a country that got rich on capitalism and then liberalized and went into decline - France, England, Germany - or are tiny homogenous societies - Denmark, Norway, Sweden.

Notice that when lefists point out a good socialist country that country is never, ever a country that became prosperous under socialism nor are their geography, demographics, or industry similar to the US.

North Korea vs South Korea, East Germany vs West Germany, etc? Nope. Leftists ignore that and instead try to say that America should just act like Norway instead.
Germany's on the decline? Canada's on the decline?
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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What's notable is that every example of a socialist paradise is a country that got rich on capitalism and then liberalized and went into decline - France, England, Germany - or are tiny homogenous societies - Denmark, Norway, Sweden.

Notice that when lefists point out a good socialist country that country is never, ever a country that became prosperous under socialism nor are their geography, demographics, or industry similar to the US.

North Korea vs South Korea, East Germany vs West Germany, etc? Nope. Leftists ignore that and instead try to say that America should just act like Norway instead.
What an odd answer to the original question.

I'm not ignoring anything. There's a distinction between North Korea and East Germany, and, say, Sweden.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The United States

No but seriously. The US is the most conservative country in the west.
Not by a long shot.

Bosnia is a Christian country and is far, far more conservative than the U.S. So is the Ukraine, but less than Bosnia.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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OK. Now you're changing your parameters because I just offered up a right-wing country, the United States, that I would choose to live. Here are some more conservative countries I'd live in:
  • Turkey
  • United Arab Emirates
  • Bahrain
  • Kuwait
  • Indonesia
  • Malaysia
  • Phillipines
  • Singapore
  • Vatican City
  • Poland
Sane people live in these countries.
Add Morrocco. It is less religiously conservative, more like Turkey, and slightly more European culturally than Turkey. Either nation is very accepting of Americans, but Morrocco is Mediterranean African, while Turkey is Mediterranean Middle East.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The thing is:
Once anyone moves to another country to live for a long time, all the issues here start to fade away in their importance. Living a different life in a different place just takes over and people change. I've met several American ex-pats overseas, and while they are fully aware of what's going on here, most of them cease to give a damn about the hot issues of the day here.

They develop their opinions on how their new country is doing. Most often, former liberals and conservatives alike are just glad to be living where they are and not here any longer, especially those who have lived elsewhere for about 10 years.

The last ex-pat I met was the son of a neighbor across the street. He kept his American citizenship, but is a permanent resident of N.Zealand, and comes back every 4 years to vote. He always votes Republican, but doesn't have much interest in the conservative parties there.
He may no longer be coming back, as both his parents have passed on; I moved, and I haven't heard from him since. His trips home were as much to visit his parents as to vote, but he liked to vote.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Most social conservatives in the US would point to a country like Saudi Arabia or Iran as a shining beacon of just how good a theocratic dictatorship can be if they were ruled by Christians instead of Muslims. Social conservatives don't object to the way Saudi Arabia operates just the flavor of religious dogma that is used as the basis for oppression.
Very few Christians want a religious dictatorship. The most radical ones simply want a return to the religiousity that we had in America through most of it's history when our Christian heritage wasn't a shameful thing to display. I know a lot of Christians who are personally against homosexuality but are in support of gay marriage because its the right thing to do in a secular government. I would tend to fall in that camp, as I cannot stand the hatred that intensifies year after year against Christians over the issue of gay marriage. Let gays get married as long as its not forced upon the church or upon ministers that may not agree with it.

Uganda is a "Christian" theocratic dictatorship and I doubt many American Christians look to it as a shining beacon.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:11 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Add Morrocco. It is less religiously conservative, more like Turkey, and slightly more European culturally than Turkey. Either nation is very accepting of Americans, but Morrocco is Mediterranean African, while Turkey is Mediterranean Middle East.
True, all are more conservative than the U.S. in many ways, though it still begs the real question, are there any countries where conservatism is actually worth emulating?

And even the typical conservative notion that the U.S. (modeled after the Enlightenment) is a center-right country, is silly just on the face of it... especially when you consider that a socialist, muslim Kenyan was just re-elected to his 2nd term (...lol)!
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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A pretty fair assessment -- I've been priveleged to know a good-sized group of Philippine-Canadian immigrants for over twenty years. The adults know they're not going to get too far, it's the kids they're banking on -- and for. Yet Canada is viewed as a "weak" nation -- a collection of five or six regions, each with an agenda of its own. And it's the French in Quebec who are the worst "spoilers" -- trying, for example, to force French on people who more likely strived to learn English.

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But why would those people move there (Quebec) if they are not interested in learning French? Especially when there are no restrictions on moving from Quebec to other parts of Canada?
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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It probably never occurred to you that the reason we fight so hard for this country is because we recognize how unique and special the US is compared to most countries.
That would imply that all other countries are the same and the U.S. is different than all the others. I would proffer that every nation is unique and special in that they aren't not the mirror image of any other. Other than that, at this stage of the game, the U.S. isn't all that special.
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