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Old 12-05-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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He said it was impossible to be both. Am I wrong or illogical here? I believe if a man impregnates his girlfriend or wife that he has a moral obligation to help support and raise the child to the best of his ability. The cruelest thing in the world is abandoning your child. Thats my personal standard and the way I live my life. With that said though, if I was ever an elected official I would have a pro-choice platform because I understand the world is very complex, and pretending to have the government dictate on an issue like this is a slippery slope. In simple terms, just because I dont personally believe in abortion doesnt mean that I am right and have the best information available to say others cant have abortions from the safety and dwelling of my confines from afar. To pretend to judge and knoiw the situations others have to endure when i really dont doesnt give me a right to impose my beliefs on them. I do think abortions are repulsive and immoral though. Any way , am i wishy washy here or is my pro-life on a personal level..and pro choice on a policy level fair, or like my right wing friend said "It's hypocritical to be both and disingenuous"
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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He said it was impossible to be both. Am I wrong or illogical here? I believe if a man impregnates his girlfriend or wife that he has a moral obligation to help support and raise the child to the best of his ability. The cruelest thing in the world is abandoning your child. Thats my personal standard and the way I live my life. With that said though, if I was ever an elected official I would have a pro-choice platform because I understand the world is very complex, and pretending to have the government dictate on an issue like this is a slippery slope. In simple terms, just because I dont personally believe in abortion doesnt mean that I am right and have the best information available to say others cant have abortions from the safety and dwelling of my confines from afar. To pretend to judge and knoiw the situations others have to endure when i really dont doesnt give me a right to impose my beliefs on them. I do think abortions are repulsive and immoral though. Any way , am i wishy washy here or is my pro-life on a personal level..and pro choice on a policy level fair, or like my right wing friend said "It's hypocritical to be both and disingenuous"
This is typical of so called conservatives. They also cry for freedom of religion, but then want to ban the building of Mosques in their city. They cry for freedom of speech and of the press, but want to ban naughty words and get thrown in to an absolute tizzy when a nipple is shown on TV. Liberals aren't much better, they just go to the opposite extreme. That is why both of them hate libertarians. The concept is completely foreign to them. They treat freedom purely as lip service, some sort of slogan to be repeated, without actually thinking about it what it means. I can't tell you how many times I've had people say to me "How can you just let people do what they want? That is just unheard of".

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Old 12-05-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Typical. "Freedom" for conservatives is the ability to impose their social views on everybody else in the form of policy and laws. If you disagree with them, you are oppressing and persecuting them, and infringing on their rights. Bigot!
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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This is typical of so called conservatives. They also cry for freedom of religion, but then want to ban the building of Mosques in their city. They cry for freedom of speech and of the press, but want to ban naughty words and get thrown in to an absolute tizzy when a nipple is shown on TV. Liberals aren't much better, they just go to the opposite extreme. That is why both of them hate libertarians. The concept is completely foreign to them. They treat freedom purely as lip service, so sort of slogan to be repeated, without actually thinking about it what it means. I can't tell you how many times I've had people say to me "How can you just let people do what they want? That is just unheard of".

Boy you've got that right. 2 sides of the same coin.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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Sure you can as long as it not core belief;meaning that your only consideration is self and poltical belief. For many pro life is a core belief.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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He said it was impossible to be both. Am I wrong or illogical here?
Illogical is your friend, who subscribes to group-think that you cannot be an individual to separate self from a collective.

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Old 12-05-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default pro tyranny or pro choice

I see no conflict, if you are female, in not having an abortion yourself as well as not forcing other women to let others determine what they should do with their bodies. That is just being consistantly pro choice. Your own choice not the dictates of others.

if you are male it is none of your concern.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:59 PM
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Your friend is wrong. Being able to choose an action or moral position for yourself while supporting the right of each person to make their own decision is the very heart of freedom.

Conservatives can't seem to understand that the only life you should be allowed to control is your own.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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Your friend is wrong. Being able to choose an action or moral position for yourself while supporting the right of each person to make their own decision is the very heart of freedom.

Conservatives can't seem to understand that the only life you should be allowed to control is your own.
I agree. I'm pro-life personally, but pro-choice politically. It's not paradoxical.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Your friend is wrong. Being able to choose an action or moral position for yourself while supporting the right of each person to make their own decision is the very heart of freedom.

Conservatives can't seem to understand that the only life you should be allowed to control is your own.

No, but us libertarians do.
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