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And the girl accepted them. Now there's a child. They made that decision by having sex. It's a done deal at that point. That's basically what you're arguing.
Your post made it sound like the male lost his genes. Try rereading.
It's a done deal at that point.
Should she get pregnant, she has choices.
You don't get to make them for her. It's all up to the female.
That's biology for you.
Biology trumps religion or what you want.
If a male doesn't want to get a woman pregnant, and the risks involved, he can get a vasectomy or not have sex.
Once a woman gets pregnant, the cards are all in her hand. Her decisions trump all of his.
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The fact that you think all current laws are perfect is ridiculous. It's a proposed option for the broken system.
Your post made it sound like the male lost his genes. Try rereading.
It's a done deal at that point.
Should she get pregnant, she has choices.
You don't get to make them for her. It's all up to the female.
That's biology for you.
Biology trumps religion or what you want.
If a male doesn't want to get a woman pregnant, and the risks involved, he can get a vasectomy or not have sex.
Once a woman gets pregnant, the cards are all in her hand. Her decisions trump all of his.
And you're saying that is correct?
Biology is a subset of nature. If biology, then nature.
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Laws are irrelevant when it comes to biology.
That I can agree with. As a result, laws are irrelevant when it comes to nature.
And the woman keeping her legs closed. Your comment is completely silly.
I'm not going to stop having sex because of some ridiculous prudes.
Sex feels good, real good.
If I get pregnant, I hold all the cards.
So sad, too bad.
Why do you, and others, argue against biology as if you have control.
I have control over anything/everything in my body.
Not some man, especially some whacked out man who thinks that they can control me and my choices.
Biology trumps everything, especially religion and it's attempt to control women.
You've been arguing against biology. Nice backtracking, though ineffective.
I'm not going to stop having sex because of some ridiculous prudes.
Sex feels good, real good.
If I get pregnant, I hold all the cards.
So sad, too bad.
Why do you, and others, argue against biology as if you have control.
I have control over anything/everything in my body.
Not some man, especially some whacked out man who thinks that they can control me and my choices.
Biology trumps everything, especially religion and it's attempt to control women.
You've been arguing against biology. Nice backtracking, though ineffective.
This post should be towards elan, since she is the one who suggested not to have sex as a valid argument. My post was mocking hers in effort to show how silly it is.
to suggest men who do abandon their children, leaving a mother to support them on her own, as her fault for choosing carelessly and are irresponsible women/mothers is absurd not to mention just ignorant.
Sorry, but if a woman wants an abortion, it's her body, her choice, right? So, when she wants to keep it, it's her body, her choice as well. I know this doesn't fit women's double standards but it has to work that way to be fair. I've fully supported friends who abandoned their children when they never wanted them in the first place. It's their money, their choice.
A deadbeat dad is going to be a deadbeat dad regardless of what the mother does. There is nothing that a woman can do to make a man care about his own flesh if he is disinclined to do so.
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Sorry, but if a woman wants an abortion, it's her body, her choice, right? So, when she wants to keep it, it's her body, her choice as well. I know this doesn't fit women's double standards but it has to work that way to be fair. I've fully supported friends who abandoned their children when they never wanted them in the first place. It's their money, their choice.
The male objection to abortion being entirely a woman's choice is simple. Allowing women to end a pregnancy eliminates one of the most certain ways a male can control a woman's fate, life and financial future. By forcing a pregnancy the man can effectively control a woman. Male control freaks abhor the loss of this power.
The abortion argument is about freedom not fetuses.
Sorry, but if a woman wants an abortion, it's her body, her choice, right? So, when she wants to keep it, it's her body, her choice as well. I know this doesn't fit women's double standards but it has to work that way to be fair. I've fully supported friends who abandoned their children when they never wanted them in the first place. It's their money, their choice.
for some women there is no choice but birth. doesn't mean they want to have the child they are morally against abortion as well as giving the child up once it is born. there is no double standard. an abortion there is no baby, once a baby is born it needs to be supported. to support a man that abandons his children because he never wanted them in the first place shows a lack of compassion at the very least for innocent children who had nothing to do with being born. if a man is that adamant to not have children he should do a better job making sure he doesn't have any. after all he is not physically able to abort. he should have a vasectomy.
Have you guys heard about the pill for men that is being developed? I think that's kind of cool...no...really, really cool. I don't really think it is fair that men don't have as effective a means as females available to prevent unwanted conception, aside from a surgical procedure that most men find too scary to do. (Though I have two men in my very close family who have had vasectomies and it's really not the big deal most guys think it is.)
But anyways I hope they get "the pill" for dudes properly tested and on the market soon. It's a good step towards leveling that playing field.
I dunno...I may have strong personal convictions, but I do not have time to go around judging other people's lives and decisions. If there's a God in heaven who has decided that abortion is evil, evil murder, then I'm sure He's quite capable of doing all the judging that is necessary without letting any killers off the hook. It hardly matters what the law of man is if there is a higher law, no?
All any of us can do is try and make decisions we believe to be good and right according to what we believe, in life. The answer isn't to take away all people's right to choose anything because you think no one should be trusted to make choices that jive with your thinking.
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I know this doesn't fit women's double standards but it has to work that way to be fair. I've fully supported friends who abandoned their children when they never wanted them in the first place. It's their money, their choice. 
Woman's choice
