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Old 12-07-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Now, if Walmart's policies say they will not buy from companies which don't do X, Y, and Z but they ignored their own written policy to make some extra money then they're wrong and get hammered both in the market place and in court if it violated any law or they got a benefit under the law which they didn't deserve.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Now, if Walmart's policies say they will not buy from companies which don't do X, Y, and Z but they ignored their own written policy to make some extra money then they're wrong and get hammered both in the market place and in court if it violated any law or they got a benefit under the law which they didn't deserve.
Which court, which law, which country ?
Who runs the factory, who is responsible for worker safety ?
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:33 PM
 
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Are you wearing rose colored history glasses?

Factories paid $1.00-2.00 a week ( equivelent of about $1,1823 a year, in 2012 ). The working class lived side by side with other families in tiny tenement apartments. Children were expected to work and their wages helped feed the family. 12-19 hour days/6 days a week were the norm. Workers routinely died on the job. Disease was rampant. The working class barely had enough to eat. Life expectancy was less than 50 years.

Looking at some historic figures to gain some perspective for 1911:

1911

US Population.....................................93, 863,000
New Births...........................................2 ,813,000
Avg. Income..................................... .$ 983/year
DOW Avg............................................... .......82
New Home (Median Price)...........................$2,625
New Car (Avg. Cost).................................$1,130
Milk (Qt).............................................. .........8¢
Bread (Loaf)............................................ ......5¢
Steak (lb) .................................................. .20¢
Stamp............................................. .............2¢

Let's use the Triangle Shirt Factory since it has been cited:

Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The factory normally employed about 500 workers, mostly young immigrant women, who worked nine hours a day on weekdays plus seven hours on Saturdays,[8] earning between $7 and $12 a week.[5]

At $7 Dollars a Week = $364 Dollars a year
At $12 Dollars a Week = 624 Dollars a year

Average car cost 1,130 Brand New in 1911
Average car cost 30,000 in 2012

Average Price of a New Car? - Forbes

Chinese makes $200 a month * 12 months = $2400 a year / Average Brand New Car Cost 30,000
1911 American Factory Worker makes $624 a year / Average Brand New Car Cost 1,130

The American was better off in 1911 than the Chinese is today.
Safety Hazards were definitely an issue in 1911, but that still does not take away the fact that the American was paid better in 1911 in accordance with the Market, than the Chinese are of today for others to exploit from.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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and if they met safety requirements the price of Walmart goods would escalate and they would no longer do business with them.

Walmart isn't overseas to save the world, it's about profits derived from cheap labor and poor working conditions.
Let me see if I have this right ----you actually support poor working conditions overseas?

You would rather young women who work in those sweat shops risk their lives or DIE so that you can pay $1 less on a shirt?
If you're that poor, I would suggest shopping in thrift stores, there are lots of good deals.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Oh it just might be different. Walmart has the clout to ask mfg to modify their products to Walmart specifications and those name brand products are only sold at Walmart.
Yep, Walmart has been involved in some pretty cutthroat practices with their suppliers where it is their way or the highway.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:41 PM
 
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Oh it just might be different. Walmart has the clout to ask mfg to modify their products to Walmart specifications and those name brand products are only sold at Walmart.
That is true,..but the fire referenced in this thread singles out Walmart, but the OP doesn't mention the fact that Sears and Disney items were also found at the site. Large retailers, like the ones mentioned, use suppliers to provide products to their specifications. As in these cases, the suppliers were located on both coasts, and the companies had already terminated direct relationship with the manufacturer.

Bangladesh factory where fire killed 112 made clothes for Wal-Mart, Sears, other big retailers - Washington Post

All companies who do business with foreign manufacturers can private label their lines.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Looking at some historic figures to gain some perspective for 1911:

1911

US Population.....................................93, 863,000
New Births...........................................2 ,813,000
Avg. Income..................................... .$ 983/year
DOW Avg............................................... .......82
New Home (Median Price)...........................$2,625
New Car (Avg. Cost).................................$1,130
Milk (Qt).............................................. .........8¢
Bread (Loaf)............................................ ......5¢
Steak (lb) .................................................. .20¢
Stamp............................................. .............2¢

Let's use the Triangle Shirt Factory since it has been cited:

Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The factory normally employed about 500 workers, mostly young immigrant women, who worked nine hours a day on weekdays plus seven hours on Saturdays,[8] earning between $7 and $12 a week.[5]

At $7 Dollars a Week = $364 Dollars a year
At $12 Dollars a Week = 624 Dollars a year

Average car cost 1,130 Brand New in 1911
Average car cost 30,000 in 2012

Average Price of a New Car? - Forbes

Chinese makes $200 a month * 12 months = $2400 a year / Average Brand New Car Cost 30,000
1911 American Factory Worker makes $624 a year / Average Brand New Car Cost 1,130

The American was better off in 1911 than the Chinese is today.
Safety Hazards were definitely an issue in 1911, but that still does not take away the fact that the American was paid better in 1911 in accordance with the Market, than the Chinese are of today for others to exploit from.
So you give us the average Chinese salary in USD but a US made car in USD and call that a comparison ?

The average price of a new car in China is about 70K RMB which is just a little over $11K USD.

http://chinaautoweb.com/2012/12/kia-...hinese-market/
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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So, it looks like when I want to install new shingles on my roof, I must first make sure the shingle company warehouse has operating toilets, enough fire extinguishers and if they don't I should pay to fix the toilets and buy fire extinguishers before I hire them to install shingles on my roof. OR is it the responsibility of the city/county inspectors and the shingle company to comply with the law.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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So you give us the average Chinese salary in USD but a US made car in USD and call that a comparison ?

The average price of a new car in China is about 70K RMB which is just a little over $11K USD.

Kia to Launch “Huaqi,” “Dianyue” Brands for the Chinese Market - ChinaAutoWeb
Fair enough.
That is still however, a 4X multiple of their yearly wages compared to the American in 1911 at that Shirt Factory needing 2 years of wages to match the price of a car.

I don't want to do the work of the globalists however in comparing the differences between countries, but as long as people are taking advantage of others, I will point them out and call them out on it as well.

I'd like to see the Globalist Movers have their income drop from their exploitation as well, but I wont hold my breath.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:07 PM
 
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The Bangladesh garment workers, primarily women, work 10 to 16 hours a day, six days a week, and make about $38 a month. They are supposedly the lowest paid in the world for this type of work. Even the Chinese are turning to Bangladesh for garment manufacturing. It makes me feel sick to read about how these workers are exploited.

Also workers who were injured in the recent garment factory fire "are struggling to pay for their treatment as neither the government, nor the Bangladesh Garment Manufacturers and Exporter’s Association (BGMEA), nor factory owners have come forward to help them.”


BBC News - The human cost of cheap clothing


BBC News - Bangladesh pay row shuts Ashulia garment factories

http://wsws.org/articles/2012/dec2012/bang-d01.shtml
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