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Old 12-08-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This is ridiculous. If the 2012 election in Michigan was fair there would be a Democratic controlled legislature as more people vote for Democratic House and Senate candidates. But due to the extreme Republican gerrymandering they kept control of both houses against the will of the people.
Wait a minute! I thought that was a Democrat tactic?

But what you said is baloney anyway. They won because that was what people wanted.

On the other hand, if I give you your theory, one could certainly say that Obama won because of the Democrat dirty tricks (a.k.a. election fraud) in the swing states. Here in Ohio, we really wanted Romney to win. He was popular with a majority of people. But, dang those Deomcrat rascals! They manipulated the votes in certain areas and subverted the process so that Obama got more votes!
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Wait a minute! I thought that was a Democrat tactic?

But what you said is baloney anyway. They won because that was what people wanted.

On the other hand, if I give you your theory, one could certainly say that Obama won because of the Democrat dirty tricks (a.k.a. election fraud) in the swing states. Here in Ohio, we really wanted Romney to win. He was popular with a majority of people. But, dang those Deomcrat rascals! They manipulated the votes in certain areas and subverted the process so that Obama got more votes!
That is total BS. As in Mich, in Ohio more votes were cast for democratic candidates but the GOP ends up with a 14 to 4 advantage in the US Congress. That isn't what the ppl of either state wanted. They pack dem voters into 95% to 5% districts and then spread out GOP voters in 60% to 30% districts that favor them.

And you just plan making stuff up about Obama/romney. Mittens had little chance to win any swing state, much less Ohio. If you are making BS claims back them up, what counties? FYI, Ohio SOS is a GOP and he controls the elections.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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RTW has done absolutely NOTHING for Arizona. Wages are in the toilet and the state still has to giveaway the farm in order to attract business here. And even when they do that, our undereducated workforce is still a deterrent.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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So the Koch Brothers now own Michigan ?

1 down, 56 more states to go.

CA is going to be a tough cookie to sell and Obama hasn't told us yet where those new states are.
This is the funniest post I've read all month. Thanks for the laugh.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:01 PM
 
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Snyder and the Koch Bros Mich GOP learned from the mistake Kasich made in Ohio. They made sure the new "Right to Work yourself to death for peanuts" bill included some spending. Under MI law, that means it is not subject to a recall vote by the people:

Koch-Funded ALEC Launches Assault on Michigan Unions - Democratic Underground

The GOP- scared to DEATH of the voters!
It cannot be repealed but the people that put it there can be repealed in future elections and will be.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Unions do exist in RTW states, folks. The only losers in this equation are the union management who require forced dues extraction to sell their product, and to fund their 6 figure salaries and lush benefit packages.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:04 PM
 
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Right to work supports freedom of association.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Texas is a RTW state and we're booming. No ones working to death for Peanuts.

If you want any of your jobs back and a healthy Detroit, dump the unions.

I guess you don't understand that the line workers have NOTHING to do with the design or quality standards in manufacturing.

Administration overrides Quality Control all the time.

But you are just another IT'S THE UNION'S FAULT.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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Unions fought the just in time process, the inventor took it to Japan and the rest is history.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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I still think they voters of Mich can file a referendum that undoes the provisions of the law the oppose.

I think the OP is saying that adopted bills which include spending are not subject to referendum.

If this is true, voters cannot petition to refer it to the ballot (which would suspend the law until voters decide, if signatures are filed timely). But there is nothing stopping voters from qualifying an initiative to repeal the law.
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