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Old 12-11-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Many conservatives feel that conservativism is such a great thing and yet when you look at the countries and places around the world that are conservative they are often have major problems (ie Saudi Arabia, Libya, Afghanistan[can't get much more conservative then that],etc.). Now, when you look at the liberal countries (most of Europe, Japan, S. Korea, etc.) they are in a hell of a better situation. Heck, the "conservatives" in many of those countries are the equivalent of many Democrats here. Even here in this country if you take away the more liberal areas (ie west coast, much the midwest, northeast) our country would be a shadow of itself. So where are these great examples of countries that conservatism produces?
The United States under the Constitution

Your definition of conservative isn't even close to what a fiscal conservative believes. All you've done is start a thread that gives you and other progressives a canvas to bash on. GLWTYI
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:44 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I look to the USA of our ancetors. I really can't think of a better country overall that gives opportuntiy;allows such diversity of opinon and has as little government interference with a person's life.The very reasons out ancestors left their home countries;really.
This is just nonsense. First of all, our ancestors didn't have access to the technologies and weapons we do today so there was very little need for governmental control and oversight. Secondly, our ancestors lived in sparsely populated communities and there weren't very many large cities so less government control and oversight. Next, they operated under a vastly more agrarian system than our modern economy. Not to mention they lived in a vastly smaller country then we do today, unless you are referring to our ancestors who had the government subsidize the "West" by removing the indigenous population, paying for a railroad, and selling land at a discount to entice settlers. Lastly, I'm sure you are only referring to the white adult male ancestors as there was plenty of government interference about what you could own, vote, and do if you weren't.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:45 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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The United States under the Constitution

Your definition of conservative isn't even close to what a fiscal conservative believes. All you've done is start a thread that gives you and other progressives a canvas to bash on. GLWTYI
And what time period are referring to?

And so you can't name another country besides America?
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:50 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Default Which conservative countries do Republicans look to as a inspirational example?

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The United States under the Constitution

Your definition of conservative isn't even close to what a fiscal conservative believes. All you've done is start a thread that gives you and other progressives a canvas to bash on. GLWTYI
You mean a country inspired by the Enlightenment and the French Revolution, with FDR, Truman and JFK among the most popular (ahead of Reagan), and is currently led by a ''socialist'' President... yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Curious how hard it is for conservatives to find any good examples of a philosophy that's supposed to be so ''swell''....
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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America. There is a reason we rose to power in such a short time. The left wants to tear all that down though so we can become just like everybody else though. It's only fair after all right?
It's called being shielded by 2 oceans and not having to fight wars all the time.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago, chicago, it's my kinda town
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The United States under the Constitution

Your definition of conservative isn't even close to what a fiscal conservative believes. All you've done is start a thread that gives you and other progressives a canvas to bash on. GLWTYI
Uhh...I didn't give a definition of conservativism. Unless you consider Afghanistan to be the definition. I doubt anyone would consider it liberal...even for severe conservatives.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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So you listed the extreme countries on the right, and the moderate countries on the left. Go a step further and mention North Korea, China, Vietnam, and Cuban in your list of liberal countries.
How exactly is North Korea liberal? It's an authoritarian dictatorship that forces its citizens to worship their leader as a god and has some of the worst human rights violations in the world.

Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Canada, etc. are liberal. North Korea is not.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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Saudi Arabia and Somalia. If Saudi Arabia was a Christian theocracy it would be exactly what the conservative Republicans want to create in the United States, including laws based on religious belief and the subjugation of women, gays and ethnic minorities.
Ah, the go to state of Somalia... What's actually happened in Somalia that has it in near disarray with only slight improvements since its newly found government took over?

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Britain withdrew from British Somaliland in 1960 to allow its protectorate to join with Italian Somaliland and form the new nation of Somalia. In 1969, a coup headed by Mohamed SIAD Barre ushered in an authoritarian socialist rule characterized by the persecution, jailing and torture of political opponents and dissidents. After the regime's collapse early in 1991, Somalia descended into turmoil, factional fighting, and anarchy. In May 1991, northern clans declared an independent Republic of Somaliland that now includes the administrative regions of Awdal, Woqooyi Galbeed, Togdheer, Sanaag, and Sool.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/so.html

Huh, a socialist state with a dictator who was repressive, whodathunkit?

And in true liberal form you want them to be all 21'st century like with the speed of a text message. Your ideology destroyed that country and now you want to project that disaster on to conservative Americans.

Really sad...
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Saudi Arabia and Somalia. If Saudi Arabia was a Christian theocracy it would be exactly what the conservative Republicans want to create in the United States, including laws based on religious belief and the subjugation of women, gays and ethnic minorities.
I think Saudi Arabia might be one of the top conservative countries....oh how great it would be to have the US become just like Saudi Arabia.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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How exactly is North Korea liberal? It's an authoritarian dictatorship that forces its citizens to worship their leader as a god and has some of the worst human rights violations in the world.

Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Canada, etc. are liberal. North Korea is not.
It's a communist society. So was the Soviet Union. The extreme of either side results in authoritarianism. Own it.
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