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Old 12-11-2012, 10:13 PM
 
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Our liberals are Europe's Conservatives.
I'd put it the other way around: our "conservatives" are liberals.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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I'd put it the other way around: our "conservatives" are liberals.
Yes, that would be more accurate .
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Do Americans on the left or the right know enough about any other country to even answer this question?
Sure, I look to Canada all the time and think to myself, "why can't we be more like those guys."
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:28 PM
 
Location: NC
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It's a communist society. So was the Soviet Union. The extreme of either side results in authoritarianism. Own it.
North Korea is pretty much a Monarchy at this point in 2009 they removed any and all reference to Communism from their government. Basically they have used all sorts of symbols from Korean mythology to promote the idea the Kim Il Sung was divinely chosen and only his bloodline can lead North Korea.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:32 PM
 
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Sure, I look to Canada all the time and think to myself, "why can't we be more like those guys."
Or "why didn't we lose the War of 1812 bad enough to get the border moved a few hundred miles south"?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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HA, have you ever read a book? America rose to power because we invaded a giant, perfect and strategically located piece of land and used slaves to generate enormous wealth. We found huge mineral deposits and mined them and created more wealth. We grew a huge army and based on all of that in less than 300 years are where we are at. Trust me, we are still infants in the grand scheme of things. Our growing pains will work themselves out.

People with no real intellectual curiosity or ability to investigate history think it is because of some divine manifest destiny.....or because of Ronald Reagan
You need to stop soaking up revisionist history devised by leftist ideologues.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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So you admitted that there isn't one for your dream other than an illusion of "The United States under the Constitution".
As someone said that Somali should be your dream country: almost no government regulation, very low tax if any, total freedom, lot of guns, etc.

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The United States under the Constitution

Your definition of conservative isn't even close to what a fiscal conservative believes. All you've done is start a thread that gives you and other progressives a canvas to bash on. GLWTYI
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Or "why didn't we lose the War of 1812 bad enough to get the border moved a few hundred miles south"?
Haha, that works too.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:47 PM
 
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Echo...echo...echo. Amazing! Still not one person has given an example of a conservative country. Not one! Now say what you want about liberal countries but if conservatives can't find an example of their utopia then maybe it only exists in their minds and not in reality.
There aren't any of note. But neither are there any failed conservative countries either. The only conservative country there ever has been is America.

It's absurd to try to point to radical muslim totalitarian states and try to classify them as conservative countries in the vein of what American conservatives advocate. That's pure strawman logic.

So while you are cackling gleefully about there being no conservative utopia elswhere, just take note that you trying to claim Afghanistan as what Jefferson or Washington intended is just as much a product of imagination.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:49 PM
 
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The only conservative country there ever has been is America.
Which pretty much has never really been a conservative country because we've never elected anyone kooky enough to satisfy your lot.

So you're actually talking about a made-up fantasy world, like My Little Pony.
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