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Old 01-06-2015, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I have a friend who was a VP in DC 37 in NYC. One time he told me the worst part of the job was supporting the bums who should have been canned. His main problem was MGT. who did not respect the 99.9% of members who worked hard and deserved everything they could negotiate.

That being said-Conservatives are afraid of competition and the power of a group.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:34 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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What do you mean by ultra cheap insurance. And why are you bringing Obama into this. Who said anything about him If you don't like where you work then go somewhere else. I mean, if you can get better insurance then go for it.
Nope, I can't get a better insurance plan anywhere else. I love the type of work that I do and I love my clients. I just hate most of my co-workers, the ones who are slackers and who coincidentally happen to be black and Hispanic. The workers with the best work attitude are the white and Asian ones. BTW if I ever was in the position to hire, I know exactly the types who I would never hire.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:55 PM
 
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Just wondering but what is the with the hate I see on this board from conservatives towards the unions ? I know a few union guys who vote republican but for the life of me I really don't see why. Are there any conservative/republican that can give me an actual answer without spinning off into the whole unions fund dem garbage and just give me an honest answer ? If you are so against unions and blame many of them for destroying businesses why then won't you also hold accountable the ceo's or other top execs who made more than any of the unions workers and who bankrupted the company giving themselves extravagant bonuses.

What if instead of the unions supporting and giving money to mainly dems what if they gave money to republicans instead ? Would you still dislike them so much ?
I view unions as business destroyers and not of willing partner of Business. Plus they do understand profitability and the big picture.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:58 PM
 
Location: it depends
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I have a friend who was a VP in DC 37 in NYC. One time he told me the worst part of the job was supporting the bums who should have been canned. His main problem was MGT. who did not respect the 99.9% of members who worked hard and deserved everything they could negotiate.

That being said-Conservatives are afraid of competition and the power of a group.
Funny! Unions are anti-competition. No one worker can seek to be of greater value and obtain a greater wage in a union shop. In fact, speaking from experience, if you work too hard you get shut down by fellow workers.

Unions are great for people who want to be paid more than their labor is worth. In the absence of unions, people are paid exactly what their labor is worth. And that makes for a more dynamic and healthier economy, with the proper incentives for individual betterment.
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:11 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I have a friend who was a VP in DC 37 in NYC. One time he told me the worst part of the job was supporting the bums who should have been canned. His main problem was MGT. who did not respect the 99.9% of members who worked hard and deserved everything they could negotiate.

That being said-Conservatives are afraid of competition and the power of a group.
So each and every one of the 99.9% good people were Democrats, huh? That's special! Some boss you'd make.
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:34 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Funny! Unions are anti-competition. No one worker can seek to be of greater value and obtain a greater wage in a union shop. In fact, speaking from experience, if you work too hard you get shut down by fellow workers.

Unions are great for people who want to be paid more than their labor is worth. In the absence of unions, people are paid exactly what their labor is worth. And that makes for a more dynamic and healthier economy, with the proper incentives for individual betterment.
Beat me to it. Like I said above, unions benefit the bellow average at the cost of the above average.
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:51 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Funny! Unions are anti-competition. No one worker can seek to be of greater value and obtain a greater wage in a union shop. In fact, speaking from experience, if you work too hard you get shut down by fellow workers.

Unions are great for people who want to be paid more than their labor is worth. In the absence of unions, people are paid exactly what their labor is worth. And that makes for a more dynamic and healthier economy, with the proper incentives for individual betterment.
Your views are colored by your own predacious .. There does not have to be a union involved for trouble in the workplace. Today there is a great demand for skilled workers, the way people work is changing. Part of the skill requires computer training as all machines today are EDM . Robots are replacing the old guy on the floor cranking out a part over and over. Fact is , my company was not union, and I based the employes pay on what they would pay, then pay more than the union job. That's how I retained workers, my turn over rate was low. Incentives were how successful a year we had, if there was profit, everyone got a bonus, including non management office workers. I had to pay more, could not get insurance as we were too small, no insurance co would touch us.......so I based pay on commissions as well , so they could shop for their own insurance.
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:57 PM
 
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]Nope, I can't get a better insurance plan anywhere else. I love the type of work that I do and I love my clients. I just hate most of my co-workers, the ones who are slackers and who coincidentally happen to be black and Hispanic.[/b]
The workers with the best work attitude are the white and Asian ones. BTW if I ever was in the position to hire, I know exactly the types who I would never hire.
You get great benefits being in a union so stop complaining
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Old 01-07-2015, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I am really confused about unions. My dad, a blue collar worker for a top car company from the 70's-2007, was union was able to make a decent wage and support and feed his family with a decent retirement. Now I see unions diminishing and people I talk to express negative ideas of unions. The place I work at the management strongly deters employees from becoming unionized (it is a group home) and swears it will only hurt employees jobs if they become unionized. I think it will help my group home because we have not had raises in four years and workers are living poorly while the company is making a steady profit. I see conservatives talk negatively about unions such as Fox news, but I am beginning to understand the unions do filter money into the democratic side just as other big corporations will filter money into the conservative side. The story I heard is that unions are not like they use to be and are not as helpful. I do not buy it and I want to know the real truth because I fear the diminishing unions means more poverty level for blue collar workers, and more money stuffed into the pockets of the corporate giants. Have unions really changed so much? If they have why?


You can`t have unrestricted free trade with third world countries, some of the highest marginal corporate tax rates, regulations that don`t apply overseas and top it all off with six-figure hi-lo drivers.

I was against NAFTA and the 2000 China Trade Act because I knew there was no way for US workers to compete with third world peasants who earn a tiny fraction of what US workers earn.

Add in all the other costs of doing business in the US and you have the prescription for disaster that has lead to an ever declining US median household income.

If you want unions, union wages and union benefits, you`ll have to put an end to free trade with China, Mexico and other nations that don`t compensate, regulate and tax the way we do.

The other issue is that unions have aligned themselves with a political party that is at odds with white males.

It`s one thing for the Democratic Party to launder tax dollars through AFSME and SEIU, but it`s another thing all together to tell me I have to give money to people that hate me because I`m white and male.

To answer your question, no, unions haven`t changed that much, but they have always been alligned with The Democratic Party and the party of JFK, the party of working Americans, certainly has changed.

They have become the party that buys votes with our taxes and you can`t be on the side of tax payers and mooches.
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Old 01-07-2015, 12:15 AM
 
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What I don't understand is why conservatives claim to support the free market and then try to pass a regulation against unions.
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