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Old 12-12-2012, 02:30 AM
 
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I think you might be confusing armed Americans with John Candy.

BTW, Canada has more crime per capita (by 4x) than the US. So much for disarmed and safe.
You might have posted the link..
Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Heres an excerpt ;;

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Some types of reported property crime in the U.S. survey as lower than in Germany or Canada, yet the homicide rate in the United States is substantially higher.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:36 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Except for law enforcement and the military what problems would arise if there were no guns in this country? I suppose we would have 30,000 more people alive every year. What's that, about a million folks in some 30 odd years? I guess people couldn't go hunting. Well, there's always the grocery store. So, what would be the major problem if there were no guns in the citizenry?
How would you go about ridding the country of all guns?
The best you could possibly achieve would be to ensure that
honest citizens would be helpless against armed criminals.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:07 AM
 
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How would you go about ridding the country of all guns?
The best you could possibly achieve would be to ensure that
honest citizens would be helpless against armed criminals.
Its a hypothetical situation the op is putting forward so for topics sake we'll assume all guns magically disappear. what happens then?
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Haha, do you have any idea how absurdly low that murder total is? You're talking about a nation of 53 million people.

If you want the US to come out smelling like a rose on the topic of violent crime, steer clear of any comparisons with other industrialized nations.
When you compare UK murder rates to their nearest comparable neighbors in Europe (France, Germany, Spain, etc.), they're roughly equivalent, and gun control in France, Germany etc. is not as stringent as the UK.

More pertinently 551 murders, may not seem a lot, but nearly 2M (1,977,000) reported violent offenses in 2011-2012 on a population of 56M (to use your figure) is pretty staggering, that's 3.5% of the population (3530 per 100,000) are affected by a violent crime per year (or roughly 1 in 28 people). By comparison France for example had 341,000 violent offenses on 65M population in 2009 (the last year in Eurostat) and Germany had 208,000 on 81.7M. The British Figures come from the UK ONS.

Now in comparison the US has 1.2M reported violent offenses, on a population of 311M, that's 0.38% or 386 per 100,000 around an order of magnitude less than the UK.

Unfortunately it's really difficult to look at the UK murder rate and the US murder rate and draw any conclusions, because the US murder rate has been (some) order of magnitude higher than the UK since they kept maintaining statistics.

However you can examine firearms offenses in the UK pre and post 1997 where the serious tightening of gun control legislation came to pass (i.e. handguns ownership was banned). Here's a report from the BBC written in 2008 which bookends nicely from the 97 Firearms Act and the 2006 Violent Crime Reduction act which was less about firearms, more about alcohol and changing penalties for violent offenses.

Ok so here's a graph



Ok so 97 was the defacto firearms ban, 2006 was the Violent crime reduction act. Ok so what does the graph show in regards to firearms crimes? Would that be an increase? How could that be, do you think?

OK so banning guns seemed to have little effect on gun crime in the UK, except perhaps to increase it given that from 98/99 to 05/06 gun crime went from roughly 5,000 offense to 11,000 offenses. However the Violent Crime reduction act does seem to have had a positive impact, but there were minimal firearms regulations in that act for actual firearms, but there were for replicas, air guns, and primers.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:41 AM
 
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Good luck with that.

Australia passed a rather restrictive package of firearm laws after a shooting in 1996 or so, and the result was that a lot more people were being robbed by people wielding baseball bats, knives, etc. I also recall reading a story a few months back that importation laws were being tightened because people were smuggling guns into the country...
Pure BS.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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So, what would be the major problem if there were no guns in the citizenry?
More booby trapped windows and front and back doors and mamas complaining and crying that their B&E 23 year old son was such a good boy. This, as they can only come up with his first holy communion photo for the leftist news media.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:17 AM
 
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All we need to do is look at the UK as a prime example. There seems to be no problem with criminals finding weapons in the UK. The disarmament of the citizenry capitol, where armed home invasions are up to staggering levels.

PJMedia- Crime in the UK is exploding at an alarming rate. According to recently released statistics, it’s the most violent place in the European Union. And those who parry that “it’s not as bad as the U.S.” — as so many do when talking crime statistics — are correct. The UK is worse. In the UK, there are 2,034 offenses per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-place Austria at 1,677. The U.S. has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada has 935, Australia has 92, and South Africa has 1,609.

Chicago is a disarmed society, yet is the murder capitol of the US. DC isn't far behind.

Lowest crime rates in large cities; Scottsdale, AZ (open carry) and Plano, TX (open carry)... go figure!
Actually the states with the highest murder rate are Louisiana and Missouri... and Arizona isn't perfoming better: there are several crime-ridden cities in right-to-carry states, as well as several crime-ridden right-to-carry states, therefore picking Scottsdale e Plano doesn't prove anything.
DC murder rate is falling year after year, and UK, Australia, Canada's murder rate is just a fraction of USA's one.
Unfortunately republicans simply ignore facts: they just repeat the b*******s they hear from Faux News.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:30 AM
 
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The 1st thing hitler outlawed was the peoples right to bear arms. We know where that leads too.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:34 AM
 
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The 1st thing hitler outlawed was the peoples right to bear arms. We know where that leads too.
Same old, same old... gun nuts are running out of arguments... oh yeah, we all know that Australia has become a tiranny after the new (stricter) gun laws
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Except for law enforcement and the military what problems would arise if there were no guns in this country? I suppose we would have 30,000 more people alive every year. What's that, about a million folks in some 30 odd years? I guess people couldn't go hunting. Well, there's always the grocery store. So, what would be the major problem if there were no guns in the citizenry?
What would be wrong?? Why, the "More Guns, Fewer Citizens"(aka NRA) Lobby ... would revolt!!
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