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Old 12-12-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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Want is insatiable.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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There is no socialism in the US. Obama is not a socialist either. He's a corporate fascist of the Mussolini fold that would rather gut Social Security and Medicare (like Obamacare cutting millions out of Medicare) than make the US into the USSR
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:28 AM
 
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Sweden and Denmark are failures, you're right. They are like Nordic Haitis.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:34 AM
 
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Sweden and Denmark are failures, you're right. They are like Nordic Haitis.
Sweden and Denmark aren't socialist. They are social democratic (no, not the same as democratic socialism) countries. Cuba is socialist, former USSR was socialist, East Germany socialist, China and Vietnam are quasi-socialist these days,
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Every nation is a mixed economy of socialist aspects and capitalism, as neither pure socialism nor pure capitalism are ideal.

Socialism is not efficient and pure capitalism gives rise to the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in New York City (1911).
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Because the managers had locked the doors to the stairwells and exits – a common practice at the time to prevent pilferage and unauthorized breaks...
Capitalism also gives rise to monopolistic behavior and it fails to deal with extranalities, such as environmental concerns. A business that usies the public waters and air as dumping grounds, reduces its costs, there is no business incentive to properly handle its wastes.

Even Adam Smith recognized the need for government regulations:

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Such regulations may, no doubt, be considered as in some respect a violation of natural liberty. But those exertions of the natural liberty of a few individuals, which might endanger the security of the whole society, are, and ought to be, restrained by the laws of all governments; of the most free, as well as or the most despotical. The obligation of building party walls, in order to prevent the communication of fire, is a violation of natural liberty, exactly of the same kind with the regulations of the banking trade which are here proposed.
Sweden and Denmark lean much more toward the social welfare state but are the leading nations in entrepreneurship.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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Why this sort of thread always fails.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:59 AM
 
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Of course. When citizens are given gifts from the government, in exchange for votes, they will want more and "better" gifts over time. Want is insatiable, therefore the "needs" and "desires" of the dependent class will never be satisfied. It is a fool's game.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:02 AM
 
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The greed is good thing is exactly why capitalism always fails.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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Of course. When citizens are given gifts from the government, in exchange for votes, they will want more and "better" gifts over time. Want is insatiable, therefore the "needs" and "desires" of the dependent class will never be satisfied. It is a fool's game.
Sound like someone has a case of the bitter grapes, [insert condescending voice here]

I think a fools game is letting the rich walk away with all the money because they were born rich. You and your ilk throw out the idea that these people [the rich] work hard for their money. No a lot of them do not. The hire people to do the hard work and pay them very little so that the workers have to work two or three back breaking jobs to pay the rent for the month. While the rich sit in a condo in Boca scraping off money from the sweat of the real workers.

They are nothing but bookies making a cut from all the bets. They are the brokers who make a dollar if you win or lose on WS. They do nothing to very little and get paid very well. Just as Romney would buy a company load it up with debt, pay himself and his investors and then let the company go bank rupt under the weight he loaded it up with to pay his multi million dollar bonus.

And you want to rant about some sch muck getting a hundred bucks in food stamps? No wonder you lost your ass in this election, it was the last one you had any hope of the angry old fat white guy vote, now its all down hill for you people.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:08 AM
 
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Here's the thing....

Liberals looovvvveeeee to use Sweden recklessly as the example of how a welfare state can be prosperous.

But two things go lost on these types...

1 - (Again)...Sweden is culturally homogeneous....nothing to add...that's pretty much all there is to it.

and

2 - Sweden is a very isolated country that is bordered by Finland and Norway, who are also..culturally homogeneous....Let's move Sweden next to Mexico and see how that works out.

2a - The majority of people that live in Sweden are, in fact, indigenous and they don't migrate. Living in Sweden is all they know and they are totally desensitized to it.

I know, for a fact....there is a SERIOUS rental blackmarket issue in Sweden. Your classic San Francisco hipster that works in a coffee shop and doesn't mind overpaying (because there is an underground bidding market) to live in a shoebox as long as he can afford his weekend binge of Molly....they might not care! As long as they have healthcare on the dole, they could care less that they are renting an apartment that is being subcontracted, twice. But many people are disillusioned when they visit these countries for a reason.

Oh, and you better learn Swedish.

But yea....trying to bring that model here just doesn't work because multiculturalism is the sticking point.
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