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Bill Clinton = inherited a huge mess left by the failed trickle-down economic policies of Reagan/Bush Sr., and turned the Reagan/Bush deficits and GOP-caused economic recession into a surplus and the most prosperous decade of 20th century America.
Barack Obama = inherited the worst foreign and domestic policy mess since FDR took over the reigns from Herbert Hoover. Saved the American auto industry, enacted healthcare reform, ended the Iraq war, repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell, killed Bin Laden and wiped out most of Al-Qaeda's top leadership. Created more private sector jobs in 2 years than George W. Bush in 8 years. Was the first president since FDR to win 2 terms with over 50% of the vote.
Two great presidents.
This is a hard one.
Is there room for anybody like either of these men at the mountain? I couldn't vote in your poll since you didn't provide a chance to vote neither and that is what I would have to vote.
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I'm doing pretty good, and so is my family in the states. I have a great career, and no one I know from college is unemployed.
There's the operative word, and the difference between many of the poor white persuasion, who would rather stay angry at Obama, ''illegals', and the 'guvmint', than risk becoming an ''educated elite''.
I'd like to see four Presidents from modern times -- F D Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower and Reagan -- similarly honored. Between them, they defeated the Fascism of both the Nazis and the Marxists, and steered the nation through some very troubled waters,
Meh. They all have been memorialized hundreds of times with schools and other public building projects. And they all have established places in history.
Ghengis Khan was intentionally buried in the bottom of a river bed just so he never had a monument. His legend lives on, far longer than mere stone carvings live, and that's how he wanted it.
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Neither.I would also say take Roosevelt off.
Unless you're talking about Teddy, the ''tree-hugging'' Republican up there now, who explored the Amazon, gave us the Panama Canal, Meat Inspections, National Parks & the Forestry Service... then maybe you're confusing him with FDR, the guy basically responsible for your social security and medicare.... BTW, which libertarians like Ron Paul and Ayn Rand like to complain about, even though they don't hesitate to collect it.
The Lakota nations would like to see Roosevelt taken off too. Along with the rest of them. Mt. Rushmore is the equivalent of burning down your best cathedral and spitting on the ashes for them.
As a national monument, Mt.Rushmore is no great shakes. I was really looking forward to seeing it when I first did, and it was a real letdown. It looked much grander in that Alfred Hitchcock picture North By Northwest.
A trip to the monument takes far longer than seeing it. After 5 minutes, most folks turn around and go back to where they came from. My first thought on seeing it was it was nothing but a way to permanently screw up a perfectly good mountain. The slag pile at the bottom is more impressive than the carving... they worked real hard to screw that mountain up.
Unless you're talking about Teddy, the ''tree-hugging'' Republican up there now, who explored the Amazon, gave us the Panama Canal, Meat Inspections, National Parks & the Forestry Service... then maybe you're confusing him with FDR, the guy basically responsible for your social security and medicare.... BTW, which libertarians like Ron Paul and Ayn Rand like to complain about, even though they don't hesitate to collect it.
I believe that some of us who have lived since FDR was first elected and know when Medicare became a fact might want to argue about FDR being responsible for it. It was LBJ in 1965 who signed the Medicare law into effect and that was over 20 years after FDR died.
We don't have the money to put anymore presidents up there. It would cost about ten times as much to do it in today's money and regulations. They didn't need to worry about regulations when they did it years ago. I bet they couldn't even get permission now to do any work around there. Bad for the environment.
Neither one of these Presidents--Obama or Clinton ---come close to the current Presidents on Mt Rushmore. History will prove that.
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