Can you be a Libertarian and a Leftist? (border, insurance, cost)
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No, you didn't. Liberalism used to be basically fiscal conservatism. In most of Europe, it still is. Modern liberals took the term from their social stances and applied it to their economic views as well.
Classical Liberalism is the prototype by which Libertarianism is based on.
Why do you have to be all one thing or all the other? I am cons. on guns, liberal on abortion and gay marriage. I do not have to subscribe to the whole doctrine of one line of thinking. I thought we left that behind with the torture chamber of the Inquisition.
Classical Liberalism is the prototype by which Libertarianism is based on.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
fiscally conservative in itself is a subjective term and doesnt even prove your point.
in reality, its fiscally responsible or irresponsible. Liberals didnt steal anything. liberals are well liberal.
Liberals are not liberal. Liberals are liberal in regards to personal freedoms such as gay marriage and abortion. The term "social liberal" is a recent term (coined well after "classical liberalism" was), which is pretty much the economic side of modern plain old "liberalism". The rationale for the terminology being that "the good of the community is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual".
Now, the term has been reduced to just "liberal" which encompasses both social (as in personal freedoms, not socially liberal economic policy) and economic (technically called social liberalism, which is pretty much the opposite of the original liberalism).
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Originally Posted by Hot_Handz
better explain myself in more detail. Fiscally conservative to day, in the minds of leftist like my self has more to do with where you spend our money rather than how you spend it. If a liberal spends his money a certain way it doesnt make him a conservative it makes him responsible the same as with a conservative.
However conservatives believe that the definition of fiscal responsibility is to be fiscally conservative, thats why i disagree with your premise.
Because you've redefined fiscal conservatism, basically defining it as the modern day Republican party.
I don't see how you can be a liberal and a libertarian if you support forcing people to join unions or buy healthcare.
Mandating health insurance was conservatism not too long ago. Libertarian stance on the subject would be... well, assume that you're on a tropical island. Do, what you can, with your means to take care of your health issues. Left wing idea would be a pronounced involvement of government in regulating health care (at the minimum) and socialized medicine/single payer system (like VA).
As for unions, what is the difference between mandating union membership from attempting to eliminate unions?
Yes- the Hippie movement was based on libertarianism-
The hippie movement of the 60s would not be supportive of the Obama administration anymore then the Bush administration.
And people whose thought process that have been streamlined by the MSM have no idea that the "anti-tax" faction of America was also the "anti-war" faction that voted Obama into office in 2008.
They are also the ones who abandoned him in 2012....but, they didn't transform into knuckle dragging, mouth breathing racists like many people would like us to believe. They were simply justifiably, pissed off people.
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