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So everything is supposedly all the fault of the uninsured, is it? Full-year uninsured people on average received $1,686 in health care, compared with $3,915 for insured people, and paid for a larger proportion of it out of their own pockets, page 15. (Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, Aug. 2008.) I guess this is a problem if you want the nation to spend more on it.
Haven't you heard? Everything is the fault of illegal aliens and undocumented workers. Don't blame the health insurance industry with its highly paid executives. Don't blame specialist physicians who in some cases earn 400K a year or more. Don't the scads of employers in this country who pay minimum wage or a little better and try to avoid offering health insurance under the new law by limiting workers to part time hours.
I'm sure a portion of this anti-universal care stuff that we hear has some validity to it. However, I've gotten so jaded by downright dishonesty that opponents have used, I wouldn't believe these folks if they told me the sun rises in the east every morning. They give new meaning to the initials "FOS". I wouldn't vote for one of their candidates for public office if I was paid to do it.
Big George, I just hope that one day you will not fall through the cracks of the system you so promote. How humane is a society that can afford to start foreign wars but says that cannot pay for a homeless's MRI or chemo?
Where is "The culture of life" that Republicans promote? or are these just cheap slogans? How hypocritical...
I'm not promoting anything. I'm strongly suggesting that all you knee-jerk liberals stop demonizing a system that is actually very good. Stop LYING about there being 46 million uninsured Americans, and LYING about all these citizens who have no access to healthcare. It simply isn't true.
Let's have just a touch of common sense - which, I know, is woefully lacking in left-wing liberals - and let's be reasonable. Let's start being honest - which, again, is a quality lacking in left-wing liberals.
Nearly 100 million Americans are on government-funded/organized healthcare. And for the most part, it's a debacle (think VA hospitals). Let's see our government prove that they actually have SOME CLUE how to run healthcare BEFORE we allow them to control ALL of it. Deal?
And let's get our current politicians to grow up, grow a pair, and actually enact some meaningful reform - though we all know that won't happen. And why won't that happen? Because they all - from Nancy Pelosi to the next scumbag - are OWNED by special interest groups.
Before our government takes over healthcare, and destroys it - like they destroy everything they touch - let's make them PROVE that they are worthy. Until y'all are willing to do that, put a sock in it. You have nothing to contribute but hot air & bad ideas.
hmm, my father was a lifer in the Air Force. So was my sister and her husband. Father gone now, sister and hubby live in Alabama.
Let's see, how many times did ANY of them complain about GOVERNMENT care provided through the military WHICH IS A GOVERNMENT operation.
Never, that's the answer.
And now my sister and her husband have "government" funded health insurance that beats anything 90% of the public can get personally or through an employer. Works just fine. And nobody is talking about "government" run hospitals anyway. It's what the government would fund.
And after posts I put up from THREE different independent sources about how many uninsured there are in the United States, Mr. Clueless still doesn't have a clue.
You can hit a mule in the head with a two by four, but that won't help him think any better.
hmm, my father was a lifer in the Air Force. So was my sister and her husband. Father gone now, sister and hubby live in Alabama.
Let's see, how many times did ANY of them complain about GOVERNMENT care provided through the military WHICH IS A GOVERNMENT operation.
Never, that's the answer.
And now my sister and her husband have "government" funded health insurance that beats anything 90% of the public can get personally or through an employer. Works just fine. And nobody is talking about "government" run hospitals anyway. It's what the government would fund.
And after posts I put up from THREE different independent sources about how many uninsured there are in the United States, Mr. Clueless still doesn't have a clue.
You can hit a mule in the head with a two by four, but that won't help him think any better.
Oh good gawd...
First of all, considering that 21 million vets have access to VA care, you should stop LYING about there being 46 million Americans without healthcare.
Second, it is a KNOWN FACT that VA healthcare has - for decades - been sub-standard. Over the years, because of my work, I have been in hundreds of hospitals. Go into ANY VA hospital and you'll find a large room with 8-12 guys laying in beds, no curtains between them. To into ANY privately owned hospital and you'll find no more than 2 patients per room, usually 1.
And are you actually going to, with a straight face, try to tell me that the VA is NOT known for making vets wait months - even years - for medical procedures? Seriously? And YOU claim to be a "medical expert"?
The whole time my father was in the AF, NO ONE in our entire family went to a VA hospital. My sister and her husband do NOT GO TO a VA hospital.
They have government funded healthcare that is top notch for military retirees. That is what this entire discussion has been about--government funded healthcare.
There will be no VA hospitals once we have GOVERNMENT FUNDED, SINGLE PAYER healthcare. So I give don't give a rip about them. If you look up reviews, some are good, some are terrible, kinda like the for profit hospitals out there.
But GOVERNMENT FUNDED healthcare would be cheaper to administer than this crap we have now that is bankrupting the country. And healthcare costs are growing faster than ANY OTHER SEGMENT of the U.S. economy. It's bankrupting people. I just read a post on another thread by an individual who said his small company has just dropped the fully paid for health insurance they bought for their employees. Why, the cost had skyrocketed. How the hell is an executive of a for profit insurance gonna exist if he can't get a $50 million bonus every year?
I apologize for calling you clueless, George. I should have called you Scarecrow----from the Wizard of Oz.
And you call me rude for calling you clueless when you are fond of calling all sorts of people liars on this thread. Good God.
Big George, Medicaid is difficult to get on. You cannot be working at a job that pays above what is considered poverty level even if it does not provide health insurance as many jobs no longer do. Please look into this and see for yourself. It's odd that you seem to believe that the US already has a national health care system.
The whole time my father was in the AF, NO ONE in our entire family went to a VA hospital. My sister and her husband do NOT GO TO a VA hospital.
They have government funded healthcare that is top notch for military retirees. That is what this entire discussion has been about--government funded healthcare.
There will be no VA hospitals once we have GOVERNMENT FUNDED, SINGLE PAYER healthcare. So I give don't give a rip about them. If you look up reviews, some are good, some are terrible, kinda like the for profit hospitals out there.
But GOVERNMENT FUNDED healthcare would be cheaper to administer than this crap we have now that is bankrupting the country. And healthcare costs are growing faster than ANY OTHER SEGMENT of the U.S. economy. It's bankrupting people. I just read a post on another thread by an individual who said his small company has just dropped the fully paid for health insurance they bought for their employees. Why, the cost had skyrocketed. How the hell is an executive of a for profit insurance gonna exist if he can't get a $50 million bonus every year?
I apologize for calling you clueless, George. I should have called you Scarecrow----from the Wizard of Oz.
And you call me rude for calling you clueless when you are fond of calling all sorts of people liars on this thread. Good God.
It's interesting how well you talk in circles. I would imagine that most of your friends aren't smart enough to see how stupid that is.
Now... Back to those 46 million uninsured Americans you liberals are always lying about. Care to revisit that, or are you starting to get a little embarrassed?
Big George, Medicaid is difficult to get on. You cannot be working at a job that pays above what is considered poverty level even if it does not provide health insurance as many jobs no longer do. Please look into this and see for yourself. It's odd that you seem to believe that the US already has a national health care system.
We have medical coverage for the poorest of the poor. It's called Medicaid.
We have medical coverage for low-to-modest income families. Every state has it.
We have medical coverage for the elderly. It's called Medicare.
We have medical coverage for over 21 million veterans.
We have private medical insurance that can be bought by millions of other Americans.
Yeah, Americans are dying for our lack of healthcare coverage, aren't we?
First of all, considering that 21 million vets have access to VA care, you should stop LYING about there being 46 million Americans without healthcare.
308,000,000 total...
21,000,000 with VA
that leaves about 287,000,000
Tell us who the the other 241,000,000 have insurance with...
then you can tell us who the last 46,000,000 use.
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