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Well, the report is a summary of sorts, and does not show all the data. For that you need to look at the IPCC sources: UAH, GISS, HadCRUT, RSS. Their data is readily available online, so I don’t think I need to spoon feed.
Or we could just go watch Al Gore's Oscar winning documentary in the English schools. Oh wait...no we can't. Their courts found it contained so many falsehoods and inaccuracies that they ordered it stopped from being shown.
Do you always make up your own facts?
The court did not find 'it contained so many falsehoods and inaccuracies' and did not order it "stopped from being shown'. Just that it should be shown with a Guidance Note because it had a political bias that needed to be explained.
46. In the circumstances, and for those reasons, in the light of the changes to the Guidance Note which the Defendant has agreed to make, and has indeed already made, and upon the Defendant's agreeing to send such amended Guidance Note out in hard copy, no order is made on this application, save in relation to costs, on which I shall hear Counsel.
LOL, are you saying that the global temperature has increased since 1998? Even the IPCC reports admits that it hasn't.
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You clearly didn't bother to read what I posted.
Try reading the actual report (or at least the Summary).
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Originally Posted by Glacierx
Thank you, I already did. Unfortunately, you don't seem to know how to read a graph.
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Originally Posted by Glacierx
Well, the report is a summary of sorts, and does not show all the data. For that you need to look at the IPCC sources: UAH, GISS, HadCRUT, RSS. Their data is readily available online, so I don’t think I need to spoon feed.
So you lied in your posts.
Got it.
Have you even read the Summary of the AR5 report just released?
Have you ever read ANY of the 9200 published peer-reviewed studies on which the AR5 report is based?
It seems you DO like being "spoon fed" by people like this:
Calling someone a liar when they did no such thing is a pretty low blow.
Do you know what the IPCC means when they refer to the "15 year hiatus"?
No, I said you lied in your posts. Which you clearly did. It's only a personal attack if I called you a liar- which I didn't.
Do a search for the phrase '15 year hiatus' in the IPCC AR5 Summary. It doesn't exist. You are clearly getting that from some other source, not the IPCC.
The 'rate' of increase in average global temperatures slowed slightly since 1998 (an el Nino year with a higher than average temperature). That does not mean there was a '15 year hiatus' in global warming. 2005 and 2010 were hotter than 1998. Most of the hottest years on record were in the last 15 years. There is also a whole lot more to climate change than just surface temperatures.
LOL, are you saying that the global temperature has increased since 1998? Even the IPCC reports admits that it hasn't.
That is a lie.
You also claimed that you had read the report. (It hasn't been released yet. Only the Summary). And the Summary didn't say what you claimed either. So your claim to have read the report was a lie.
No, I said you lied in your posts. Which you clearly did.
No I didn't. I forget sometimes that there are people on here of many different ages and with different language backgrounds, so I will take the time to walk you thing it. I apologize for assuming.
I said: Even the IPCC reports admits that it hasn't.
You said: You clearly didn't bother to read what I posted.
I said: Yes I did.
I said: Unfortunately, you don't seem to know how to read a graph. {referring the IPCC data, not the report here}
I said: The report is a summary of sorts, and does not show all the data. {referring to the fact that the report is a summary}
I said: For that you need to look at the IPCC sources: UAH, GISS, HadCRUT, RSS. {referring to the IPCC data sets.}
I said: Do you know what the IPCC means when they refer to the "15 year hiatus"? {referring to the IPCC conference today}
You said: Do a search for the phrase '15 year hiatus' in the IPCC AR5 Summary. It doesn't exist. You are clearly getting that from some other source misrepresenting the IPCC. {You are wrong here, I got it from the IPCC's own mouths}
You said: The 'rate' of increase in average global temperatures slowed slightly since 1998 {This not true. The temperature has not increased at all since 1998. Please look at the IPCC data. Here is a good start: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/ }
You said: 2005 and 2010 were hotter than 1998. Most of the hottest years on record were in the last 15 years. There is also a whole lot more to climate change than just surface temperatures. {That is true}
No I didn't. I forget sometimes that there are people on here of many different ages and with different language backgrounds, so I will take the time to walk you thing it. I apologize for assuming.
I said: Even the IPCC reports admits that it hasn't.
You said: You clearly didn't bother to read what I posted.
I said: Yes I did.
I said: Unfortunately, you don't seem to know how to read a graph. {referring the IPCC data, not the report here}
I said: The report is a summary of sorts, and does not show all the data. {referring to the fact that the report is a summary}
I said: For that you need to look at the IPCC sources: UAH, GISS, HadCRUT, RSS. {referring to the IPCC data sets.}
I said: Do you know what the IPCC means when they refer to the "15 year hiatus"? {referring to the IPCC conference today}
You said: Do a search for the phrase '15 year hiatus' in the IPCC AR5 Summary. It doesn't exist. You are clearly getting that from some other source misrepresenting the IPCC. {You are wrong here, I got it from the IPCC's own mouths}
You said: The 'rate' of increase in average global temperatures slowed slightly since 1998 {This not true. The temperature has not increased at all since 1998. Please look at the IPCC data. Here is a good start: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/ }
You said: 2005 and 2010 were hotter than 1998. Most of the hottest years on record were in the last 15 years. There is also a whole lot more to climate change than just surface temperatures. {That is true}
Trying to backtrack, misrepresentations, contradicting yourself and moving the goal posts doesn't cut it. Sorry.
So what DOES the IPCC say about the last 15 years (as far as global surface temperature goes) in it's AR5 report? Well you Could have just read the Summary itself.
I forget sometimes that some people think whatever some denialist blog or tabloid claims about something is automatically true. I forget sometimes that many people don't ever bother to check the claims made by denialists by checking the sources themselves. I assumed that most people would know that to read the Summary itself that they need to click on a link on the IPCC website and open the document. Not find some other website with an opinion piece about it.
Read the Summary. Find where it mentions the last 15 years. It's only on page 3. Read the paragraph.
In addition to robust multi-decadal warming, global mean surface temperature exhibits
substantial decadal and interannual variability (see Figure SPM.1). Due to natural variability,
trends based on short records are very sensitive to the beginning and end dates and do not in
general reflect long-term climate trends. As one example, the rate of warming over the past 15
years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade), which begins with a strong El Niño, is
smaller than the rate calculated since 1951 (1951–2012; 0.12 [0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade)
NOTHING about a '15 year hiatus'. No claim that "The temperature has not increased at all since 1998." (Because that is incorrect)
Try reading at least a couple of the 9200 peer-reviewed articles and studies the AR5 report was based on for yourself.
However, from your opinions, I'm guessing you don't have access to any of the Journals and just rely on what denialist websites and the tabloid press tell you to think.
Trying to backtrack, misrepresentations, contradicting yourself and moving the goal posts doesn't cut it. Sorry.
Actually, you are the one who is lying and contradicting yourself. Grow up and learn to read. To deny the fact that the world has not warmed since 1998 is as dumb as claiming the earth is flat. How can you engage in any sort of debate if you cannot get this simple fact right?
If have apparently read it and thus are able to see that 2010 and 2005 were warmer than 1998. To ignore the linear line is dishonest to say the least. Did you watch the press conference? Do you understand your own data you just posted above? If I'm pulled over by the police for driving 65 miles/hour in a 60 zone, but his radar gun has an accuracy of +/- 10 miles/hour, then he cannot give me a ticket because he doesn't' know if I was going 55, 65, or 75.
Actually, you are the one who is lying and contradicting yourself. Grow up and learn to read. To deny the fact that the world has not warmed since 1998 is as dumb as claiming the earth is flat. How can you engage in any sort of debate if you cannot get this simple fact right?
If have apparently read it and thus are able to see that 2010 and 2005 were warmer than 1998. To ignore the linear line is dishonest to say the least. Did you watch the press conference? Do you understand your own data you just posted above? If I'm pulled over by the police for driving 65 miles/hour in a 60 zone, but his radar gun has an accuracy of +/- 10 miles/hour, then he cannot give me a ticket because he doesn't' know if I was going 55, 65, or 75.
LOL, are you saying that the global temperature has increased since 1998? Even the IPCC reports admits that it hasn't.
....so yea
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