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We are already slashing school funding. Republicans fight absolutely everything as "Socialism." So how can we set up separate schools for kids with autism and other life-long institutions for mentally unstable people? It's not gonna happen. Conservatives would never allow it.
No, it is the liberal policy of inclusion that eliminated tracking programs under the pretense of "fairness" and "equaility" which gutted the Special Ed programs. For years kids were separated. Kids like the CT sicko would have been surrounded by his peers, which would have eliminated some of the stigma of being different. Different doesn't mean stupid, it just means different. Instead, this kid was pushed into a regular class setting where he obviously stood out, and was subject to torment and ridicule, which over time can manifest into violent outbursts.
My wife trained as a teacher (Masters at Cal in the 70's), and later taught in the public schools in CA. Her specialty was Educational Psychology. She primarily stayed home and raised our kids for years, but did stay active an a p/t basis. It was the liberals, and nobody else, that championed the "inclusion" agenda. She was one of the few teachers that supported tracking programs.
EdwardA and California-Jewel understand what I was trying to bring across...
Bullying is never good and shouldn't be allowed butif you are in todays society kids that are totally different oract different than kids easir will target that person and in some cases it is understandable but also sad.
My own niece was such a annoying and disturbed kid and my sister and brother in law had all the excuses in the book for her.
As a 2 year old she would hit and scratch my 1 year old son if we wouldn't watch for a second...a couple of time she scratched for no reason our son and she even did this prior to that age and if it wasn't for us keeping our son away it would have happened more often. In some cases they could play fine but we had to watch every second...and many times she would cry or whine and always got what she wanted since her parents always state she was doing it because she was an only child.
Every time she had a dirty diaper and cried my sister would say that she didn't want the diaper exchanged for a clean one so she was walking for longer times than normal with a dirty diaper and everytime we said something about it the parents would tell us not to interfere...
The result was that the went to what they called a "poop doctor for kids" and that according to the doctor the child had a condition why she would at the age of 12 still do it in her pants...to all of us it had to do with the crazy behavior of parents who let the baby sit with a dirty diape and the cild getting used to that and see that as good behavior.
I can't even believe this being my own sister and raised by the same parents and we only have less than 2 year age difference....
The girl is now 18 and still cries a lot, was for a long time bullied due to her poop smell which was still in middle school and not able to deal with sharing stuff and getting mean due to issues relating to that.
My sister always defended it as only child issues but we know it was the way they raised their child and perhaps some other issues that can be considered personality of the child...
Some people can't normally raise kids because they don't have the common sense and from what comes out of this school shooting....how wacked was this mom to take a chid with these kind of issues to a shooting range? It could easily have happened that he was shooting and turned and shoot others over there...People with mental issue can't have guns so for her to give him a gun at the range is already crazy....and why didn't some one else interfere...?
I worked with an autistic young man who had some savant like abilities and most of the time a gentle giant. Then he would trip off and start beating his head on the concrete floor putting us in the position of having to restrain him. I remember coming to work on more than one occasion where this large man was basically handed to me and another person or two so we could keep him from hurting himself or others.
I dont think I have to explain why he was beating his head on the cement floor as you seem to be pretty well informed. And I dont think the man was necessarily violent. In fact im sure he didnt know what the word violence meant but I assure you he could wreak some violnce on the residential care facility I worked and was truly a dangerous person
Its all about the $$$ always is. The more kids you get to your school the more $$$ the feds and state gives the district. Theres also a lack of good alternative choices for parents.
Now for my experiences.
My son has aspergers and we pulled him from our states best public school district to a private aspergers school because... 1. We could afford to pay for the school, 2. He was getting stressed with the work load of homework( he tests top 10% of class ), and for social cues( he was getting in trouble for asperger stuff... I.e hugging)
We are lucky at being able to afford it and having a great choice for our son but many asperger kids dont have this choice.
Asperger or high functioning austism kids should not be in school with full fledged austistic kids. These asperger kids have more in common with public school kids than they do austistic special schools. The problem is there are few asperger schools.
The biggest problem asperger kids have in main stream schools is with social cues and how they are motivated to work. Most are very intelligent who get bored with repeatitive work. They need more hand on challenges and their likes are such.
My son and most of his asperger friends love building things. Legos are gret for him and he can build the hardest of hard lego sets that most cant do. He can follow the directions from page 1 to end. But ask him to do 10 easy math questions and its 2 hrs of fighting with him to get him to do 5 minutes of work. And thats after a melt down.
But what about the medications these kids take? How does that effect their behavior?
Each child is different and each has different reactions to whatever medicine they take, which is why the question posed by the OP is impossible to answer.
My son is high functioning ASD. I had him in a special school but I realized he acts more autistic when around other autistic people so I transfered him to a public school, where he is in a mainstream class. He is able to do all the work and isn't distracting other kids but he has no social skills. He can talk if you ask him a specific question but if the conversation isn't a structured one he'll talk about whatever he's stuck on at that moment. In great detail. Repeatedly.
Is it annoying? Sure. It annoys me and I'm his mom.
Should he be placed in a special school away from typical kids where he at least can see/hear how they converse with each other? No and I'd fight any teacher, principal, school district or system that tries to tell me otherwise.
But what about the medications these kids take? How does that effect their behavior?
You may not realize this, but even many "normal" kids are using prescribed medications. Should they be banned from school? Since I am not a psychiatrist I don't have information on the side effects of every medication. But I am sure there is accessible research.
Each child is different and each has different reactions to whatever medicine they take, which is why the question posed by the OP is impossible to answer.
My son is high functioning ASD. I had him in a special school but I realized he acts more autistic when around other autistic people so I transfered him to a public school, where he is in a mainstream class. He is able to do all the work and isn't distracting other kids but he has no social skills. He can talk if you ask him a specific question but if the conversation isn't a structured one he'll talk about whatever he's stuck on at that moment. In great detail. Repeatedly.
Is it annoying? Sure. It annoys me and I'm his mom.
Should he be placed in a special school away from typical kids where he at least can see/hear how they converse with each other? No and I'd fight any teacher, principal, school district or system that tries to tell me otherwise.
Thank you, for sharing this. My best-friend's son is just the same way. he's actually gotten better about things. He still is shy and a bit withdrawn, but like yours will answer questions and such, and he's learning social cues, so he doesn't prattle on as much anymore.
Thank you, for sharing this. My best-friend's son is just the same way. he's actually gotten better about things. He still is shy and a bit withdrawn, but like yours will answer questions and such, and he's learning social cues, so he doesn't prattle on as much anymore.
That's one of the issues I have with labeling kids. My son was a late talker, we got him tested and they told us ASD. Every other area was on target except his speech. But listening to doctors and teachers I put him in a special needs school where he learned all kinds of WRONG behavior that took me forever to undo.
When I was in school those kids were just socially awkward but now they wanna label them and send them to school hopped up on ten different medications.
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