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Old 12-17-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't think it's the violence itself, it's the immersion into a pseudo reality whther it's a video game, facebook etc.
More of that right wing awesomeness.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Make gun owners responsible for their guns.
Any gun used in a crime will be the responsibility of the registered owner, unless it has been reported stolen.

If you are responsible enough to own a gun, you should be responsible enough to keep it out of the hands of others.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Make gun owners responsible for their guns.
Any gun used in a crime will be the responsibility of the registered owner, unless it has been reported stolen.

If you are responsible enough to own a gun, you should be responsible enough to keep it out of the hands of others.
I would add sellers as well, as we do with alcohol and tobacco, after all. That, and a thorough training and licensing requirements so owners have a better clue of their personal responsibilities and consequences.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Gun "Lovers": What are your proposals?


Glad you asked. I already outlined mine. And the President even seems to (finally) agree.

GREAT speech by President Obama tonight, from Newtown, CT

BTW, who do you know, who "loves guns"?

I don't love them, any more than I "love" the hammer and saw I used to build my house. Or any more than I "love" the fence I put up to keep varmints out of the garden. Guns are useful too, just as those other things are.

What strange mentality to do you have, that you "love" guns? No one else has mentioned such a "love"... except you. Why?
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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Many who say pistols and semi-automatic weapons should be banned because they are not used for hunting/sporting, are forgetting that these guns are allowed because the 2nd Amendment says that a "well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to bear and keep arms shall not be infringed". These guns are to protect the citizens from our own government if it should eveR turn on its people.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Clayton, MO
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If you want to ban guns, it makes sense that you would have more suggestions in that regard than somebody who doesn't.

I think this was primarily a mentally health issue. The guy shoot his mother and then a bunch of little kids who obviously never did anythign to him. I do think it underscores your politics if you make it primarily about firearms.

I don't own a firearm myself, so save your anti-NRA platitudes.
The thing is, it is much easier to regulate the kinds of guns that are used in mass shootings, then it is to identify the mentally ill. Someone right next to you could be a loose canon. How can we tell? Since we cant identify all the ones who will slip through the radar and go nuts, it seems like a better solution, easier, to ban the kids of weapons used in these killings.

Why are they necessary, for the general public, anyway?
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I would add sellers as well, as we do with alcohol and tobacco, after all. That, and a thorough training and licensing requirements so owners have a better clue of their personal responsibilities and consequences.
I don't agree with sellers, once that gun leaves the premises they have no control. If the background check is ok, they should be free to sell to anyone.

I also don't think that alcohol, and tobacco companies should be held accountable, we know the risks and accept those risks when we purchase those things.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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No one (and I mean no one) is proposing that we ban all guns in this country, but that seems to be the hysteria that comes out every time there's a call for common sense restrictions. It's ridiculous. I grew up on a ranch, my husband grew up on a ranch, we live in a rural area of a very rural state, and my husband and boys all hunt--we have a gun case full of rifles and shotguns in our home (locked, with the key and shells/bullets stored elsewhere). My teenagers were taught from a very early age just what kind of damage guns can do--they respect them, and they know how to handle them responsibly. Even with all that, they enjoy bow hunting more than going after deer with a rifle because there's actually some sport to it--guns are mainly used when we have a coyote trying to get at the livestock, or in the rare instances where we find a rabid animal.

There is NO reason that anyone outside of the police or military needs a semi automatic weapon, especially one with a higher capacity magazine, to hunt or protect their home. It isn't even legal to hunt with one here, and if you can't take out an intruder with a shotgun you have no business owning weapons. Assault weapons have only two other purposes--as toys for a gun range, or to kill lots of people quickly. I don't think your right to own a lethal toy should have precedence over my right to keep those guns out of the hands of mentally disturbed people.

As far as the second amendment goes--the first amendment has lots of restrictions. You can't shout fire in a crowded place, you can't lie about people to damage their reputation, you can't hurl racist epitaphs, and there are limits on the types of pornography you can own or publish, etc. This issue is no different. We don't allow people in this country to own materials to make nuclear weapons, we have restrictions on who can buy many of the materials commonly used in other types of bombs, and I don't think assault weapons should be any different.

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Old 12-17-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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First, I'd like to say that I'm not "anti-gun". Our family has a couple of guns for hunting, and I have used guns extensively. I just want to point that out so people can save the "leave us alone, *******" comments.

My question is this, for those who are against further gun regulations: What do you propose should be done -- if anything -- in terms of limiting gun tragedies?

We have read much on here from those who are in favor of more gun control, but I haven't read many answers from 'pro-gun' supporters.

Ban liberalism

The policy of liberalism have created a more unstable, dangerous society. What we need to do is-

1. institutionalize the volatile mentally ill
2. make single parent families illegal
3. demand that discipline be enacted at home
4. demand that education be promoted and supported at home
5. demand that children have part time jobs to gain some responsibility
6. allow corporal punishment in the schools
7. demand some religious indoctrination to gain respect for life
8. demand mandatory gun training for children, such that they understand the destructive force of guns
9. stop running guns to Mexico via programs like "Fast and Furious"
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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The thing is, it is much easier to regulate the kinds of guns that are used in mass shootings, then it is to identify the mentally ill. Someone right next to you could be a loose canon. How can we tell? Since we cant identify all the ones who will slip through the radar and go nuts, it seems like a better solution, easier, to ban the kids of weapons used in these killings.

Why are they necessary, for the general public, anyway?
The point is you can't ban guns. Why would this guy care about your ban on guns? He shot his mother and a bunch of kids, yet you think he cares what the government has made illegal? You are not thinking out t here.

It's just about you feeling good about yourself, not finding a real solution. If there is a way you can confiscate all the guns in the world, let's talk about gun control then.

I think the school knew this kid has some problems. He was assigned a pyschologist when he was in the school.
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