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So, your suggestion is that we should give credibility to their false claims and sit down with them, cave to their ignorance and give them something to pacify them?
Have you ever dealt personally with people like this? You know, the really stupid people who are severely ignorant, devious and act on pure emotional reasoning? I have and the result is that they will be encouraged to believe that their stupid positions are gaining traction and because they are severely stupid, they will begin to push for more. With each concession you make in order to try and find a resolution to the issue (because you are trying to be the reasonable one), the more their arrogance drives their ignorance while they think they have the advantage over you.
You see, because they are idiots and lack any ability to discern reality, they will see your concession as an admission of you being wrong and that is where it gets very nasty, as from then on anything you say will be wrong because of that "perceived" admission of such by catering to their stupidity.
The answer is to stick to the facts, hold to the truth. No concessions to stupidity, no compromises with ignorance. If the people are too far gone that facts and reasonable position do not sway them because they ignorantly latch to emotional positions, then we are lost anyway and guns eventually will become a very important item to have in a society that disregards facts and logic.
Without the accompanying quote in your post (37) it would be hard to figure out which side of the issue you are on...
There is and always have been such groups calling for such. The point is, when these incidents occur, the arguments of these groups are brought to discussion (as you can see many threads here where some advocate such resolution). Then you have the numerous agencies calling for bans on assault rifles even though the previous legislation was shown to be completely ineffective. You have numerous people asking for stricter laws that would have no impact on the occurrence of this incident and many others discussing other avenues of control and limitation.
All of this started within moments of the shootings. CCN, ABC, NBC, FOX, etc.. were having discussions about it, putting anti-gun/pro-gun advocates on the air who argued over gun control, etc... Then you had the WH jumping in talking about assault rifle bans and how they were going to implement more gun control aspects under the claim of intent to stop this happening in the future.
All of this was going on before the full facts of the incident were even released. This sort of knee-jerk reaction shows ignorance and emotional reaction which makes people nervous and the result is people worrying if they will wake up the next day and find their 2nd amendment rights severely limited be it through bans or extreme measures and costs that would be applied.
Because VT and NH are states and DC is a highly populated urban area??????
It does seem like highly poplulated urban areas have a trend of much higher violent crime rates than rural areas. Why is that? Firearms tend to be owned at a much higher rate in rural areas, so blaming guns doesn't work. Urban areas on average tend to have more education and higher income, so you can't blame poverty. So what is it? Are people that are drawn to live packed in like rats just more prone to violence? Or does living in crowed conditions tend to cause violent behavior?
It does seem like highly poplulated urban areas have a trend of much higher violent crime rates than rural areas. Why is that? Firearms tend to be owned at a much higher rate in rural areas, so blaming guns doesn't work. Urban areas on average tend to have more education and higher income, so you can't blame poverty. So what is it? Are people that are drawn to live packed in like rats just more prone to violence? Or does living in crowed conditions tend to cause violent behavior?
My guess is that in urban areas, there are many more opportunities for crime. A larger pool of victims due to the population density itself and more places to hide/escape in such dense populations. You tend to find more types of crime in larger cities as it is more profitable and with increased crime I think there is an increased chance of violent crime.
That is why gun crime statistics are often mostly useless to any given conclusion. There are so many variables that you can't properly isolate a causation due to the inability to establish the difference between random occurrences and statistically significant ones.
VT has virtually NO gun control laws and ranks #34 in firearm death rate. No gun registration. No permit needed to carry. No permit needed to purchase. No license needed for rifles, shotguns or handguns, etc, etc.
New Hampshire has very few gun control laws and ranks #45. No permit to purchase. No license needed. No assault weapons ban, etc, etc.
Wash DC has extremely restrictive gun control laws and ranks #1 (by a wide margin) in the firearms death rate. In fact, DC's firearm death rate is THREE TIMES as high as VT and almost SIX TIMES as high as NH.
If highly restrictive gun control laws work, why not in DC?
The libs disregard facts when making decisions and rely upon emotion and anecdotes, thus the failures of liberal policy.
When presented with international statistics on homicide rates, which have no correlation with gun laws or ownership, they again choose to ignore the factual data.
Being a liberal must be a little like having dementia, in which cognition and reason is discarded when making decisions.
The libs disregard facts when making decisions and rely upon emotion and anecdotes, thus the failures of liberal policy.
Depends on if the policy is their intent. I find more and more that the policy is not the intent, rather the method of establishing the policy (ie advocating irrational, emotional, and inaccurate assessment) is. A populace that is irrational, emotional, and relies on inaccuracies is easily manipulated.
Ironically, the areas where guns are heavily restricted/banned, are the areas where you need them the most. I hear alot of people say that it's not wise to carry a gun in an urban area. BS!! DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Philly, all the big cities have gangs and low-lifes that you can only protect your life/liberty/property from by bringing equal force to the table. The police come after the event, take down names, maybe go chase the bad guys and maybe even catch them, but the only way to prevent the atrocity from happening in the first place is to arm yourself with superior firepower, period. End of story.
Ironically, the areas where guns are heavily restricted/banned, are the areas where you need them the most. I hear alot of people say that it's not wise to carry a gun in an urban area. BS!! DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Philly, all the big cities have gangs and low-lifes that you can only protect your life/liberty/property from by bringing equal force to the table. The police come after the event, take down names, maybe go chase the bad guys and maybe even catch them, but the only way to prevent the atrocity from happening in the first place is to arm yourself with superior firepower, period. End of story.
Then why aren't we one of the safest countries in the world when we have one of the most firearms per capita. Stupid logic. More guns just cause more accidents and deaths, not too hard to understand.
Don't need to ban guns but obviously limit the amount of them.
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