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Old 12-19-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Being a fiscally conservative and socially liberal person, I feel the Grand Old Party will soon be relegated to a forever minority party.

I feel republicans should have a direction change or at least a course correction on following

1. Guns : we need a lot of controls. Republican party should look at regulating. I am not suggesting 2nd amendment scrapping or taking away peoples guns, but a meaningful control. People should be checked for mental issues, background checks,reference checks etc. GOP should not buck to NRA.
2. Gays : Gone are the days where gays would be burnt alive. This is new age, gays have rights and it wont change soon. GOP is still stuck in 16th century mentality here.
3. Abortion : Pro life goof jobs (Akin,Mourdok) and few others have completely hijacked the pro-life. Abortion is a sensitive issue and according to me it should be left to woman who actually get pregnant and go thru hell for 9 months. No religion or political party actually has right to dictate here. (Bible or Koran or others cannot dictate free will)
4.Immigration: This is an issue on which Democrats have done nothing of substance. But they have been successful in painting GOP as fear mongering, hispanic hating, deportation crazy party. Here GOP needs a brand makeover.

There are 2 choices here for the above
a. Ignore the reality and continue doing what GOP did for last few decades and get relegated to the dustbin of history
b. make changes with regards to the above issues.

what say you!
WTFYTA


1. already happening...a background check is done 99% of the time ....and its the liberals that put the mentals back on the street

2. the gop doesnt care about gays..all for freedom...the problem is the liberals trying to make a war by PUSHING agendas....I dont care what you do, its none of my business, but dont push your opinion on me.


3. abortion should be a LAST RESORT..the woman already has may CHOICES..have sex, have protected sex, tell the man to put a raincoat on..there are 19 years olds who have had 5 abourtions...duh , there is a little pill you can take....

4. the real question is why liberals condone something ILLEGAL...doesnt matter what the country of origine is,, if you are here ILLEGALLY, you are wrong and you are hurting someone who is trying to do it correctly, though LEGAL immigration.....why are the fascist liberals so against the law being enforced


its the fascist liberals that need to get with reality
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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The GOP is dead.

Their leadership are war mongering liberals.

When the party splits, a real Conservative party will form, and as the economy crashes will become radical. There will be no more "discussion" on immigration. Red states will ship these immigrants out, no Reagan amnesty.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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The GOP is dead.

Their leadership are war mongering liberals.

When the party splits, a real Conservative party will form, and as the economy crashes will become radical. There will be no more "discussion" on immigration. Red states will ship these immigrants out, no Reagan amnesty.
This post is exactly what I was talking about.

Tea Party on, Tim! Yay Freepers! Yay birthers! Yay Minutemen Militia! You're not out of touch with the majority of this country AT ALL. Keep talking! ROFL!
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by ADA_NC View Post
Being a fiscally conservative and socially liberal person, I feel the Grand Old Party will soon be relegated to a forever minority party.

I feel republicans should have a direction change or at least a course correction on following

1. Guns : we need a lot of controls. Republican party should look at regulating. I am not suggesting 2nd amendment scrapping or taking away peoples guns, but a meaningful control. People should be checked for mental issues, background checks,reference checks etc. GOP should not buck to NRA.
3. Abortion : Pro life goof jobs (Akin,Mourdok) and few others have completely hijacked the pro-life. Abortion is a sensitive issue and according to me it should be left to woman who actually get pregnant and go thru hell for 9 months. No religion or political party actually has right to dictate here. (Bible or Koran or others cannot dictate free will)

what say you!
Typical lib.

1. Guns are bad and kill people, mean (scary looking) guns should be illegal, and only good nice guns are ok for maybe some people, after all there are ~13,000 gun murders each year.
2. Women should have the right to murder their unborn child, after all it's a womans body, each year there are only 1,210,000 abortions (murders) and since the child wasn't born yet, it's not really a living being, regardless if it has a little heart that is pumping blood, or sucking it's thumb.

I mean you got to admit, this really is a huge contradicition.

13,000 people murdered with guns outside the uterus is a horrible, terrible thing
1.21 million people murdered in the uterus is the mothers 'right'
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ADA_NC View Post
Being a fiscally conservative and socially liberal person, I feel the Grand Old Party will soon be relegated to a forever minority party.

I feel republicans should have a direction change or at least a course correction on following

1. Guns : we need a lot of controls. Republican party should look at regulating. I am not suggesting 2nd amendment scrapping or taking away peoples guns, but a meaningful control. People should be checked for mental issues, background checks,reference checks etc. GOP should not buck to NRA.
2. Gays : Gone are the days where gays would be burnt alive. This is new age, gays have rights and it wont change soon. GOP is still stuck in 16th century mentality here.
3. Abortion : Pro life goof jobs (Akin,Mourdok) and few others have completely hijacked the pro-life. Abortion is a sensitive issue and according to me it should be left to woman who actually get pregnant and go thru hell for 9 months. No religion or political party actually has right to dictate here. (Bible or Koran or others cannot dictate free will)
4.Immigration: This is an issue on which Democrats have done nothing of substance. But they have been successful in painting GOP as fear mongering, hispanic hating, deportation crazy party. Here GOP needs a brand makeover.

There are 2 choices here for the above
a. Ignore the reality and continue doing what GOP did for last few decades and get relegated to the dustbin of history
b. make changes with regards to the above issues.

what say you!
1. While I agree that those who purchase/own guns should have background checks and safety courses to own them many on the left would really like to see them banned altogether and that does violate our 2nd amendment rights.

2. The GOP does not oppose gay rights per se. They just don't agree with traditional marriage for them. Since our country is based on Christianity and the bible speaks out against sex between the same sexes then just who is on the wrong side of this issue?

3. We will just have to agree to disagree that a woman should have the right to kill her unborn child. She lost her rights when she had unprotected sex and a human being was conceived. The only exception should be if the mother's life were to be in danger by giving birth. I would put her rights at the front of the line then.

4. Your'e right about how the Democrats have demonized the GOP over the illegal immigration issue. What do you propose the GOP do? Cave into another amnesty when that isn't in the best interests of this country just to pander to the Hispanic voter? How dare any one group of Americans in this country demand that any of our politicians thumb their noses at our laws and reward lawbreakers whom just happen to be ethnically like themselves and blackmail for their votes.

So in otherwords you are suggesting that the GOP become liberal Democrats in order to survive in the political area? That would mean there would be no one to represent the conservative point of view. What are we, chopped liver?
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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The current approach of the GOP seems to be to wildly run around like a leprechaun on crack while
- pointing fingers,
- assigning blame,
- yell that we are all morally corrupt, lazy slackers,
- accuse anyone and anything even slightly directed at improving our society as a whole as communists, socialists, and fascists,
- paint anyone non-white as an illegal trying to suck at the teat of our bleeding-heart government,
- claim that we're trying to destroy the nation by not allowing absolutely everybody to own assault rifles,
- pretend that women are too stupid to make their own medical decisions.
- blame everything and anything bad that happens on non-Christians/Progressives/Atheists/Liberals.

None of that sounds like any party I would ever consider voting for.

But they won't change. There will always be those who long for the "good old times" when white man had absolute power because they knew what was best for all of us. Look at the recent gun discussion and take note of the many, many hoo-rah-I-will-kick-your-azz-or-worse cavemen that are still out there.

And that is the problem of the GOP: While there are many "normal" and intelligent conservatives out there, the GOP has become a safe heaven for every anti-social, theocracy-wanting nutjob out there. They have corrupted the GOP and unless the GOP works VERY hard to substantially distance itself from those types, they are doomed.
Oh stop with the damned race card for God's sake! Anyone who makes statements about white Americans in that manner is truly the racist himself. I don't make negative remarks about other races and I am white. Of course the left thinks that if any truths are told they are a racist.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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This is what is wrong with GOP. Discarding other views and ridiculing anybody who don't agree with 16th century ideology.
Isn't that also true of the left? Dicarding other views and ridiculing anyone on the right that doesn't agree with their progressive, liberal ideology? I don't know of any GOPer that adheres to a 16th century idealogy. Liberals tend to lie and exaggerate also. You're a prime example of that with your post.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Mille Fin
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1. While I agree that those who purchase/own guns should have background checks and safety courses to own them many on the left would really like to see them banned altogether and that does violate our 2nd amendment rights.

2. The GOP does not oppose gay rights per se. They just don't agree with traditional marriage for them. Since our country is based on Christianity and the bible speaks out against sex between the same sexes then just who is on the wrong side of this issue?

3. We will just have to agree to disagree that a woman should have the right to kill her unborn child. She lost her rights when she had unprotected sex and a human being was conceived. The only exception should be if the mother's life were to be in danger by giving birth. I would put her rights at the front of the line then.

4. Your'e right about how the Democrats have demonized the GOP over the illegal immigration issue. What do you propose the GOP do? Cave into another amnesty when that isn't in the best interests of this country just to pander to the Hispanic voter? How dare any one group of Americans in this country demand that any of our politicians thumb their noses at our laws and reward lawbreakers whom just happen to be ethnically like themselves and blackmail for their votes.

So in otherwords you are suggesting that the GOP become liberal Democrats in order to survive in the political area? That would mean there would be no one to represent the conservative point of view. What are we, chopped liver?
Who are the many on the left who have called for an outright ban on all gun possession? Pray tell.

2. The country is based on separation of church & state. The bible is an antiquated moral code fit for barbarians.

3. Woah, getting raped is a helluva' way to lose your rights then! Double-whammy! Picking and choosing rights here, I see...

4. Reward lawbreakers who are ethnically like themselves? You mean like that guy Joe Horn who shot burglars to death as they were running away?
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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WTFYTA


1. already happening...a background check is done 99% of the time ....and its the liberals that put the mentals back on the street

2. the gop doesnt care about gays..all for freedom...the problem is the liberals trying to make a war by PUSHING agendas....I dont care what you do, its none of my business, but dont push your opinion on me.


3. abortion should be a LAST RESORT..the woman already has may CHOICES..have sex, have protected sex, tell the man to put a raincoat on..there are 19 years olds who have had 5 abourtions...duh , there is a little pill you can take....

4. the real question is why liberals condone something ILLEGAL...doesnt matter what the country of origine is,, if you are here ILLEGALLY, you are wrong and you are hurting someone who is trying to do it correctly, though LEGAL immigration.....why are the fascist liberals so against the law being enforced


its the fascist liberals that need to get with reality
Amen! Have you noticed since Obama was re-elected that these liberals are even more hateful with their continued attacks on the right and consevative points of view than before? They can't even accept their win gracefully. They are still foaming at the mouth.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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This post is exactly what I was talking about.

Tea Party on, Tim! Yay Freepers! Yay birthers! Yay Minutemen Militia! You're not out of touch with the majority of this country AT ALL. Keep talking! ROFL!
The majority of Republicans aren't teaparty members even those like you would like to claim it so you can demonize the entire right. The teaparty's agenda is fiscal responsibility but the left has picked out a few radicals about other issues whom they don't even embrace to also stereotype the whole organization in that way.

The MM has been long gone so WTH are you rambling about unless you are claiming that it is also wrong for our government to enforce our immigration laws. FYI, the majority of Americans do want our immigration laws enforced and know that another amnesty would be a mistake.

Yeah, keep talking liberals. You'll get the kind of country in the long run that you aren't going to like.
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