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Old 12-29-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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Not necessarily true. Most of the homicides in Chicago for example are between gang members who know very well that the 'other side' is as armed as they are.
That's true for most of the US gun deaths.

Chicago just hit #500....nobody wants to talk about it though.

That's the big problem, we want to talk about tougher gun laws but we don't want to crack down on the people causing most of the gun violence.

Why is that?
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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That's true for most of the US gun deaths.

Chicago just hit #500....nobody wants to talk about it though.

That's the big problem, we want to talk about tougher gun laws but we don't want to crack down on the people causing most of the gun violence.

Why is that?
Exactly, prisons are a revolving door for violent crime offenders.

Not only that, the prison system does nothing to reform a troubled inmate, they simply incarcerate them, stigmatize them with a criminal record, and make it harder for them to move on with life or become a normal, productive member of society.

It's a tough cycle to break from and most have no incentive to revert to anything but their old gang.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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That's true for most of the US gun deaths.

Chicago just hit #500....nobody wants to talk about it though.

That's the big problem, we want to talk about tougher gun laws but we don't want to crack down on the people causing most of the gun violence.

Why is that?
500 deaths. Not 500 gun deaths...

What are you going to do?

Tougher sentences don't work.
Bans don't work.
Talking doesn't work.

How about we try solving the root problems. Education, poverty, mental health care.

That's the answer no one wants to hear.
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Central Indiana/Indy metro area
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Is it acceptable to you that 20 little children were slaughtered by a military assault rifle that was obtained legally by an unqualified citizen with a mentally unstable child in the house?
The thing is, many in this country would have found it totally acceptable if all 20 of those same little children had been aborted prior to their birth. No wonder our culture is all screwed up, talk about mixed signals. Their death at one point in time, no big deal. Their death at another point in time, big deal.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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Is it acceptable to you that 20 little children were slaughtered by a military assault rifle that was obtained legally by an unqualified citizen with a mentally unstable child in the house?

All I've seen is "Arm the teachers" That is not practical. That is idiotic.

So what are your suggestions on how we deal with this ever worsening situation?
Maybe when the pro abortion stop the murder of a million each year.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The thing is, many in this country would have found it totally acceptable if all 20 of those same little children had been aborted prior to their birth. No wonder our culture is all screwed up, talk about mixed signals. Their death at one point in time, no big deal. Their death at another point in time, big deal.

You know with a stroke of the pen the government can tell you it is ok to Kill and then not ok with another stroke.

Incredible.

Same as was mentioned that we killed someone elses women and children in a war. That is ok as well.

Gov't has mucho power. Almost like religion but with here and now enforcement rather than later.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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And how many have been murdered over the last 30 years here, not from wars, only from being innocent.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:19 PM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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I'll add to this that family's often don't have the resources or knowledge to deal with the mentally ill as well. Pushing them off on the family only works if the family knows what they are dealing with, how to deal with it and has the resources to deal with it.

This everybody's a winner and you are special crap has got to stop. That kind of thinking could set off someone who isn't getting the accolades they think they deserve...that they've been taught they deserve. This kind of thinking does not prepare our kids for real life. Life plays favorites. It favors the pretty and the young. There are winners and there are losers. And you need to enter adult life prepared for these facts.
This is especially true for the mentally disturbed. It is one of the reasons they won't/don't take their meds. The meds take away what makes them special, in their minds. Unfortunately I've seen this too much with the criminally insane. Their thinking is beyond any of our comprehension.

Now to expect teachers to deal with some of these with mental deficiencies and mainstream them is ridiculous. They can't do it. They're not equipped just like a majority of the families of these kids. It's not fair to any of them. Including the kids that are in the classrooms with these other "different" kids.

I'm sorry but a lot of mental disorders are dealt with based on theories. Nothing concrete. Meds are tinkered with on an individual basis as there is no one way to deal with each patient. There is no one therapy that works for each patient.
And we think we can just mainstream these people in society? I really feel that professionals and their egos have just gotten too big. It's ok to say you're not sure how to handle something. It's downright dangerous to say that you do if all you've done is read about theories in a book.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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500 deaths. Not 500 gun deaths...

What are you going to do?

Tougher sentences don't work.
Bans don't work.
Talking doesn't work.

How about we try solving the root problems. Education, poverty, mental health care.

That's the answer no one wants to hear.
About 400-450 of those are gun deaths.
I otherwise agree with your comments.

Again, the vast vast majority is ignored. No one wants to be the next "Bill Cosby" after his pound cake speech.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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About 400-450 of those are gun deaths.
I otherwise agree with your comments.

Again, the vast vast majority is ignored. No one wants to be the next "Bill Cosby" after his pound cake speech.
Cite or it didn't happen...

In any case, Bill Cosby called it...
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